Legacy

This isnt about divers. Its about sinking line presentations. You wouldnt use a diver here.

Theres an easier way... thumper rig.

Im not buying into it. It may offer some "versatility" but I certainly dont see it as a "replacement" for copper. I see this setup ONLY being used without worries as a chute rod or at least in the way it is promoted. The idea that you can run this off boards (big or small without worries) blows my mind. The thought of attaching anything to 19 strand wire makes my head explode. Sounds like you will be buying lots of product to replace the stuff you break off. The idea of a copper replacement is a fantastic sales pitch and it certainly grabs some attention but it sounds like an attempt to reinvent the wheel. I know the attraction to the idea is the need for less rods but... My understanding of the "steel theory" that is pushed is all you need to achieve the same dive curve as 45# copper is a 200' weighted steel and 30# wire as backing. Yet guys that I have talked to all say that these setups just dont get as deep as their similar copper setups. Ive talk to people who have tested it with a smart troll and have found it to have a similar dive curve to 32# copper not 45#. Makes sense to me because it has a larger diameter and weighs less than 45# copper does. Everyone also agrees they like the way it comes off the reel and there is virtually zero issues with bird nests. If anyone has used 32# copper they would also tell you how much easier it is to use than 45#. So wouldnt it just be easier to spool up a 200' of 32# copper, backed with 30# 7 strand wire, and put it on a smaller reel. I am not advocating this by the way.

I know someone. They used it only as a chute rod during tournaments. Heavy mono leader. They told me they just lock the drag down and pray.

45# copper??? No way. 250' is the max on a 45 series that I would recommend.

Theres 2 choices mono or braid and good and bad with each. Mono is the economical choice and will do the job but it doesn't put up with the continued abuse. Braid simply survives 3 times longer. Braid all in all is the better choice (for example. It doesnt absorb water. The smaller diameter allows for more backer. Durability. Shelf life is 5 times better.) https://bloodruntackle.com/hi-vis-backer/ https://bloodruntackle.com/bloodline-braid/

welcome to the site!

Lol Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

This is a loaded question. If you were to ask me my 100s and 150s produce as many fish as my all my other coppers combined. Reason... I fish them throughout the entire season. They get water time from May - Sept. As for long coppers 250 or more... 350' copper was my best in 2018, 400' was my best in 2017, and 300' was my best in 2016. Year to year it changes as you can see. My suggestion would be for you to start with a 300. It's a length that can be very versatile. You can fish anything on it spoons, plugs, flashers, paddles. It's also not an overwhelming length of copper. It's a good way to get your feet wet in the world of copper. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

So the line counter decreases when reeling line in????? Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Dont let him fool you, that is all he runs!!!

Heres some data... https://www.glerl.noaa.gov//res/glcfs/compare_years/compare_years_o.html

Typical summer King program will do just fine.

I have spent the entire month of may for the past five years fishing from Olcott and have yet been disappointed. By the time the spring derby comes around I have had enough of the shallow brown fishing and I am ready to fish Kings. All but one of those years fishing was good county wide. The off year we spent chasing the bite at the bar. The important thing to realize is it's may and we are King fishing! Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Water color dictates everything... Clean water = a natural presentation (black flash, goby, brown trout, chrome blue, chrome black) dirty water= bright colors (my secret, coho crusher, green frog) Short shallows get the majority of the work load but S3s, and long shallows all have their days. Heres my best of spring 2018... Heres my best of spring 2017...

Heres a good list of ideas. Some of them have been covered but... 1. Online Forums www.lakeontariounited.com www.greatlakesfisherman.com Endless information available on every topic. Virtually a library. 2.Facebook and social media https://www.facebook.com/teamlegacysportfishing/ We are all on social media and there is a ton of info posted every day. New products, fishing reports, how to videos, ect. Get on and follow captains, friends, manufactures. LOts of group pages on FAcebook also. 3.Great Lakes Angler Magazine http://www.glangler.com/ Really the only choice for printed material these days that pertains to what we do. 4.Clubs https://lotsa1.org/ https://geneseecharterboat.com/ http://www.elosta.org/ Join some clubs and go to meetings. There is often speakers at monthly meetings. I know that LOTSA does this on a regular basis. 5.Tournaments Volunteering to be an observer gets a chance to get on some boats that you probably never would and see what they do. Best part is you get paid to fish!!! A lot of teams will also invite you to fish with them on big fish friday. The WHI, ProAms, Atommik Invite all require observers. Contact tournament organizers and they will put you on the back up list if you cant find a team in need of one already. The other side of that is... fish some tournaments. Start small. Put a crew together and have fun. Tournament fishing has taught me more about fishing than chartering clients ever will. 6.Shows Niagara Fishing Expo/ LOTSA Salmon School https://niagarafishingexpo.com/ ELOSTA Flea Market http://www.elosta.org/ GCBA Flea Market https://geneseecharterboat.com/ Get out and go to shows and get in on the seminars. I would encourage everyone to spend a couple days at the Niagara Expo. I think this past year there was over 100 seminars in 3 days. 7.Books and DVDs Dan Keating http://www.bluehorizonsportfishing.net/salmon-fishing-books-videos.html Dan Keating offers some good reading relevant material. I have not seen the DVDs but I have read his books. 8. Captains Try reaching out to some guys and asking questions. Or doing the old school dock walk and talk it up. Besides tournaments, most guys (including myself) are willing to give out information.

Ditto Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app