Sk8man

Man....you've got me shaking

You are a master of simplification Brian (as well as a good fisherman) Thx bud. Only after the silvers so as you know it can be hit or miss

semperfi- I think if you incorporate the advice above with my previous post that you mentioned you should be good as that is right in the area that you mentioned you'll be I'd be circling that complete area until I hit either some marks or fish and then keep messing with them. Don't be surprised if you see dorsals sticking out of the water with rainbows and landlocks feeding on bugs....hard to get them to hit but sometimes if you stick at it they will hit the small 2-2 3/4 inch (esp. orange/silver or blue/silver). Can be fun with flyrod ad flies or poppers.

Heading to Cayuga tomorrow (Deans) for the silvers. Lake O looks a bit too "iffy". As far as the Black releases I have used them since they came out in the 70's and have tried most of the others. What I found is if you use a scale to set them at about 3 to 3 1/2 lbs (I use an inexpensive luggage scale from Walmart (about$8?) that is supriisingly accurate. The only time I have to mess with them is if running large 11 inch flashers behind and there is strong current (Lake O). The Chamberlains are good too but I just don't feel like re-terminating the three downriggers when I already have something that works. Any info on Cayuga Brian?

Another possible variable is the setting on your depth finder if it is on a setting for shallow water e.g. 100 ft or less 200 khz you may be going way outside the cone aangle of the transducer. If you have say a 50 or 83 khz setting with a wider cone angle you may be able to pick up the weights better.

Again....aluminum or glass boats?

For starters you need either torpedo or shark type weights and most likely the problem will be solved.. If not, your transducer needs repositioning.

Just one more straw added to the camels back....

It works well for what it is designed. It is not a substitute for the Fishawk 4D by any stretch of the imagination. I use mine to find the thermocline layer for running my rigs on the Fingers by attaching it to my downrigger running it down to say 100 ft while in neutral and then I record the temp chenges in 5 ft intervals, and to determine where things like coppers and leadcores are running by attaching it directly to the line bringing it back in and seeing how deep it ran and what the temp was there.

I'm with you on that Steve....great reels otherwise but that isthe clincher for me too.

Looks like you folks are having a great time John...beautiful day for it too

Brian it seems as though you are ALWAYS doing it right out there.

Matt - the temp range you want to be in is 50-60 degrees and it is running at 30-55 ft down at the north end right now. The cowbells are mainly used for lakers down deep although an occasional silver may be caught with them.. Run small to medium flutter spoons about 30-50 ft behind the boat and troll about 2.4 -2,8 mph making S turns frequently. Start out near the Geneva Golf Club where it drops off to 70-80 ft and troll south on diagonals from 80 ft of water out to about the middle back and forth all up the west side to Reeds Bay and then go back north east all along the east side near the high banks area doing the same trolling on diagonals until you hit fish. Along the way every few minutes raise or lower the riggers 5 ft or so and keep varying your trolling speed. Occasioanlly put the motor at idle for a brief time and then start back up increasing your speed. Good luck.

Keep at it you're doing fine

Nice going Aaron

You should be right in the thick of it with brown territory right nearby and late running salmon heading along the shoreline on the way to the salmon river.

Basically you can figure about 22 ft per 100 ft out on the usual copper and roughly 5 ft per color for the leadcore so as an estimate 50 ft for the 10 color and 66 for a 300 copper. Trolling speed, lure, current etc. affect the actual depth. You can get increased depth by adding clip on weights to either option. Another option would be to run a shorter section of leadcore off one of the downriggers and control depth that way but still have the possible "attracting" factor of the leadcore itself whipping through the water. Iusually run it off inline boards so it is out of the way and then is on top of the other stuff vertically as well if something hits it

Very cool Kevin. It is always great to see kids enjoying themselves fishing at that age

30 lb Bloodrun Sea Flee mono with 20 ft 10-12 lb Segaur fluoro leader connected together by #8 Spro power swivel (50 lb test) with a solid ring ball bearing swivel at the lure end of the leader for spoons or sticks. For flasher or spin doctor use or cowbells I delete the fluoro leader and just use the solid ring swivel with a duolock snap on it.