BrokeOff

i have not had much luck this year in my regular spots on the south shore. best outing was 2 so far, i throw rapala flat rap size 8 in silver. usually don't need to take it off all fall

town pool is insane! combat fishing on the lake is bad enough, that looks miserable.

Just to expand a bit on the lampreys: they said that the lamprey were below target #s on lake trout. however the fisherman fired back with what they have seen on the lake. A huge # of scars or actual lampreys on the salmon and especially the brown trout. Seems the brown trout get hammered b/c they come in shallow in the spring and the fresh lampreys are coming into the lake around this time. They beleive they have found more spawning areas the lamprey use than ever and have effectively treated majority of these areas. Someone pointed out that the salmon 'just dont fight like they used to' and that they pretty much give up quickly these days. Also saying that the browns and steelheads 'dont fight'. Steve Lapan thinks this is due to the thiamine deficiency affecting all species of fish. He stated that some of the steelhead do not even have enough energy to make it up the river to spawn. Bringing in a new strain of chinook from the west coast was brought up. But pretty much shot down. They don't think our returning fish have been 'dumbed down' and they don't see any reason why a new strain would do better in the lake than what we already have. Using natural spawning salmon for egg take (upriver of the hatchery) was brought up, but they made it sound like that would be too much work to catch these fish in the #s they needed. The water issues the hatchery faces routinely are still big problems it sounds like. They need cold water for trout and salmon and the water they recieve is always going to be warm from the reservoir. They are working on a plan for some kind of water re-circulating system (but sounds far off). The hatchery also has a new egg picker which will be able to weed out the bad eggs (that turn white) 3x as fast as the old machine. As Greg reported they are seeing lots of sterile male coho salmon this year, for unkown reason. Coho egg take was at 800k if I remember right. Also they are using more male fish in their ration 3 males to one female I think and they even upped it to 4:1 one day. Cormorants were talked about quite a bit. Seems out of the 164 they did stomach analysis on in August/Sept on Oneida lake it was found they were eating mostly game species. They did also point out there has been a huge hatch of gobys on Oneida and populations are really starting to increase. Fishermen stated they haven't seen this many cormorants on Lake Ontario in 10 yrs. The half gill plates were not brought up. Their creel survey guy was not at this meeting. The 3 rod rule is still not permanent! and they have no pull on this issue. I think someone stated they heard it is only good thru the end of 2016.

Amped NBK and Green Dot Fly also