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CBish is dead on about dipsy variability and remember it's a "dive curve" - not a simple formula for line out = feet down, because the resistance increases exponentially. I use the Mag dipsy diver from Walker and the 2' of wire/1' down rule works ok down to 80' or so and then it starts taking more than a 2' of wire to get another 1' down (the old law of diminishing returns) That being said, I do wonder where my Mag diver(set @ 1.5) is with 320' wire out @ 2.1-2.3 mph( down) any guesses? What does the "Book" say?

I have been running them behind copper, divers and riggers. I think when the fish are aggressive they may have some advantages but I don't have enough experience with this stuff to be confident of my opinion. I do run 10"s behind 500' and 600' copper most of the time and if I'm running my wire Mag divers w/ 280'+ out, I like to have a 10" on at least one side of the boat.

Well, the clams & gin part sounds ok. As far as the fishing goes, you might be trolling a bit slow, try moving up to 2.8 surface. Also what are you running for flasher/fly color combos at what time of day, and what size dipsy are you using, if you aren't using Mags, you might not be covering enough of the water column. Just my 2 cents...

Thanks for the reports, keep em coming- will be up next week!

I did get a pair of the Torpedo "Cudas" that I was planning to run off my riggers w/ an OR 16 release subbed in for my Scotty, but the dive chart shows I would need over 200' of line behind(down below) my rigger weight just to hit 200', the whole thing just seemed to cumbersome so I shelfed the idea. Chmura's ideas on using these weights as a "stealth" presentation seem much more practical but maybe this 2lb Torpedo would have a depth curve that would make using it more feasible. Matthew, do you have a dive chart for this weight and is the weight available- I would try a pair!

Trolled mid lake yesterday, 500 & 600 copper off the otters were the best producers! Dipsy action was slower than last week (Cold front moving thru), the wire slide divers(w/ long leads) were much better than the regular dipsies yesterday. Got a few rainbows on watermelon spoon and watermelon cheater.

Sounds like an awesome outing!

Can't get out Mon-Fri? I guess that's where I come in! Hope you left a few for me and my boys- sounds like you hit em pretty good, way to go! Will let you know what we find.

I lose very, very few wire dipsy fish, here's a couple thoughts; Use tournament style hook rigs on the fly.Use a high quality snubber behind the dipsy. Set the drag on wire dipsy reels fairly light (they should click out a wee bit of line from time to time as you troll). DO NOT HORSE THE FISH!.You can tighten the drag up a bit after you get the rod out of the holder. Pump back gently and reel down quickly with a good bend in the rod at the high point- don't bring the rod to a stop w/ no tension on it like you are popping a whip. Resist the temptation to tighten the drag a lot and really gain on that sucker, it's rarely a good idea- just keep pumping and reeling, once you have a feel for this action you can really gain on a fish fairly quickly.I don't reel or pump when the fish is running or head shaking but good tension and a drag that gives is critical. A laker out on 200' of wire is pretty much out of tricks when you get it to the boat but don't let a King that looks out of gas fool you- don't tighten the drag way down at the boat.

I have a Depth Raider and although it's helpful, the down temp was moving around quite a bit. I marked very little bait where we were fishing and only scattered individual fish, I just kept turning around and working anything that looked promising with different depths than the last pass. The best advice I ever got about this kind of fishing is "don't leave fish to find fish"!

Off East Port Bay on Friday we took Kings in water from 48 to 60 deg from 70-110 down over 140-350 FOW. The steelies we got into were down 25-60' over 300-400 FOW.

Happy Birthday Scott! -Andy

Telescopic?

Actually, I won it! Got to shoot all the top bows at "Legends of Fall Archery" in Tully, and I just really liked the Drenalin! They had to order me one cuz my draw length is 31". It's all set up, now I have to learn to shoot it- my last bow was an entry level Alpine that needed 4 pins to get me to 40 yds (but it killed a lot of deer).

Started shooting my brand new Drenalin today and I am seeing some dandy bucks too!

Good going Sean! The lakers have got their snout in the feed bag for sure!

Musky thanks for finishing my train of thought- I had one rigger w/ the eye hook turned at an angle so the cable was rubbing a bit. I think the biggest thing that will help the hop on deep rigger retrieves w/ good sized weights is to swivel the rigger straight back if possible.

How do you get/order the 2cd keel?

Got this going now, sorry guys. 1st attempt at this for my darling wife!

We were out on Cayuga today 8/10, did over 20 fish from 7:30 to 10:30. To be honest I know that I lost count, we went the first hour w/ at least 1 fish on at all times. Mostly Lakers w/ 2 salmon (one was a real slammer, and the other wasn't bad) thrown in. White spinnys/smart fish w/ green & aqua green flies. Ran the flashers right behind the ball down 90+, wires out 320'. Salmon on 7 colors & 200' copper w/ stix. Fleas were no problem but the weeds were bad in spots.

Greg,it sounds like you have the basics. Using the speed off the GPS should work for the lakers, you want to be in the 2.4-2.6 range. I would target the suspended fish out over 300' , use the fish finder to get depth. Let out 300-320' of wire w/ the mag dipsy set @ 1.5. I was over there today, 8/10, put over 20 fish in the boat- the lake is on fire, good luck!

Greg, do you have a sonar/ gps(gives speed over ground)?

You guy's look like you are having a great time! Nice pics Stan, great to see people really enjoying fishing!

Like Tim said, with the old unit I would get batteries when I stopped for coffee on the way to the launch!