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Watermelon (purple, white and silver with black dots). Monkey puke (yes this a a lure's name) - it is orange and green Hawg Wild (it is orange and yellow) Purple Thunder (Purple and Black) NBK spoon (green and silver with a chrismas tree pattern on it) Go for the 4" lures, and if you can, maybe some 3" (but 4" is the preference). Also as stated above, get some Atomik flies: - bloody death - crinkle glow - hawg wild

Yup, and with 40 lb test mono line, you need a really big reel to fit 1000 ft of it. Agree with all the above - fleas, stretch issues. Also wire gets deeper than mono as there is less drag due to higher density of line and thinner line for same strength.

The main reasons: (1) hooks not sharp enough (2) drags set too tight (3) dipsey doesn't pop open and allows slack in the lead line. Mark

I would go at least 9 ft, 10 ft if you can. It helps getting the fish a lot closer to net when you have more length as you can wind up more line. It also helps to get the rods over the rigger rods if you want them to sit over one another. I have Rapala RSC's 10 ft with roller guides - very nice. You will get 100 opinions here, so you'll need to go to a good shop and look at the options. If you go the roller guide way rather than twillie tip, then get a rod with good roller guides or the wire will end up getting stuck between the roller and roller mount and you will be swearing a lot. A good roller guide is an amazing rod to work with.

I don't use downriggers on my boat. I fish with 2 or 3 dipsey's and one or two lines using a heavy bass weights. Don't use snap weights, they are useless. Go with wire lines if you can - it is way better, trust me. If you buy anything else you will likely end up buying wire and spending the money twice, so do it right the first time. Wire is not difficult to use if you follow a few basics. Get 7 strand torpedo wire, and spool 1000 ft of it onto your reel. Keep it tight, apply it on slowly and then you won't have any major issues. So let me explain my setup: Two outer rods are always on wire dipseys, number 1 dipseys on 3 setting away from the boat. If generally put these deep in the water 50 - 90 feet deep. Two inner rods (center) I normally put on heavy drop weights a 4 oz and a 6 oz. This allows me to put these lines far out (180 feet or more) out and away from the dipseys. At these distances I get around 30 ft deep. The 4 oz weight is always 20 or 30 feet farther out then the 6 oz weight. This keeps these lines away from each other as well. To attach the bass weights, they will come with a ring on the weight. Connect your main line to this ring using a snap swivel. Connect your leader to the same ring using another snap swivel. Your leader then needs to be at least 10 feet long, florocarbon 20 to 30# to lure. Sometimes I'll use a number 0 dipsy on one of the center rods if I need to get to 40 feet or so. The setup up is very productive. I hooked into 7 fish this weekend, and landed 4 over the space of 3 hours fishing. Mark

To be honest, I keep the one on the SD only. I've tried it with two, where the fly comes with a swivel as well, and haven't noticed any issues. When you say what is the lenght of the cheater line, do you mean the lenght of the leader line (from SD to bait)? It depends: 24 - 28" if you are using a fly. 36 - 40" if you are using cut herring bait or artificials (MC Rockets). Reason for longer lead is you don't want the swing action of the SD to affect the rotating action of the herring bait.

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So based on this, the best you're going to get is 120 to 130ft down?

I would rather put a flasher ahead of a fly than a spoon. I like my spoons clean after a 6 oz drop weight, or a No 0 dipsey. And use at least 8 to 10 ft of lead line (floro).

Mag dispey with ring, the chart only goes to 100 feet for 30# wire. 100ft on 0 setting needs 210 feet line back. Same 210 feet line back on 2 or 3 setting only gets you about 90ft down. The angle of the curve suggest after 210 feet you go down 0.3 feet for every foot of line out. So to get 10 feet you need 33 feet of more line out. So this is my guess on 2 or 3 setting: 100 ft down - 240 feet out. 110 ft down - 270 feet out. 120 ft down - 300 feet out. 130 ft down - 340 feet out. 140 ft down - 380 feet out. 150 ft down - 430 feet out. I think past 120ft down it actually becomes impractical. Will take forever to reel in a king from that distance.

Storm Warning has it right. Precision Trolling Big Water Edition II. The paper the dispey comes with is useless for braid or wire.

I agree with Bottom Feeder's setup suggestion. You want to play with distance away from boat and depth to keep them apart from one another. I've done it the other way around with the mags on the outside and then a standard or even a smaller No 0 dipsey on the inside two. What works the best if you go with the smaller ones on the inside is to use a No 1 and No 0 on the two inside lines. This puts the No 1 deeper and closer to the boat, and the No 0 shallower and farther from the boat. If a king hits the No 1 it can basically swim under the No 0 line. Anyhow it's all good and easy to keep under control until a big king hits. You'll have to get use to potentially reeling in one or possibly two of the lines if you can't control the king away from the others. This is where it is good to have a spare set of hands onboard.

I use just about every color. I match my dipsey color to my flasher color. Blue on blue, green on green, purple on purple - etc. I do pretty well on the blues and purples.

Yup, when I see this kind of stuff, I think ... we are on a big friggin lake. I mean its like 50 miles wide or something, and we have all this space. Why in the bloody world do these guys feel the need to come so close? Maybe they are lonely or something, but comeone, it's not like we're in a small confined zone. Basically, they are retarded ... just accept it.

Huh? What are you boating in, a canoo fitted with a radio control airplane engine?

I don't ask for gas money but everyone still pitches in one way or another. Some guys bring lunch and others will offer gas money. However no one ever offers to stick around and clean up the boat!

I use Torpedo 30 lb, 7 strand. 19 strand is a lot more expensive, and I don't think it's necessary. I never had one break off all of last year on this wire line. It is flexible and spools nicely. 1000 ft on each reel. I agree with what the other guys are saying. Braid is okay from May - June. July to mid August the fleas will render your braid useless. You will not be able to reel in your line and lose everything. After mid-Aug the fleas disapear and you can use braid again. If you have wire, you have no problem all season long. Mark

Ducks, I cracked two 9 foot starfire rods last year. One pulling up a 20 lb laker, and then other pulling in a violent 22 lb king. I switched to 10' Rapala RSC's. Both the starfires and RSC's have roller guides, which I swear buy. I couldn't recommend the starfires based on what happened. It wasn't a crazy amount of strain, but both rods exploded on seperate occasions about 12" up from the reel. I could recommend the Rapala RSC's though - they are 100 times better to work with.

To tie it to the real you actually tape it down using duct tape. Go around the spool with it once or twice and then use a piece of duct tape as wide as the whole spool and wrap it right around over itself. This gives the wire you now are going to wrap around the spool something to bite into. Remember keep the wire on the reel and off the wire spool always tight and straight - no loose ends, no kinks. Do this right and the rest works like magic. For the fishing end of the wire line, use a swivel tied to the wire, probably a quick connect will be the best so you can snap dipsy's on and off quickly. This is what I use to tie the swivel to the wire and it has never failed me, and it never will. It is as simple as it gets: http://lotsa.org/Wire%20Line%20Knot.htm Mark

Hey JBoock. In the first set of numbers, that range for Rainbows (60 - 70F) looks way too high. The range under steelies for the charter targets looks more realistic. Also they say big kings (tyees) will be in the 42 - 45F, but there aren't many, so it will be about size vs. quantity of hits.

You will know why we want the lead the length of the rod and D what fleas are all about and why use wire by the end of the season.

Just throw rocks at his boat next time ... And then take pictures of his reaction with your camera.

I couldn't have said it better myself. 2 wire lines on dipseys and 2 mono's on downriggers. I also like to put spoons on two lines and flies on two lines with Spin Doctors. Colors - blue/silvers, greens are good. Monkey Puke and Hawg Wild are also awsome producing colors. BTW why are you going out only for BTs? What about kings?

I have to disagree here. If people didn't have to take tests to get their driver's licenses are you saying there wouldn't be as many accidents, or even the same amount of accidents??? People learn a lot studying and taking their driver's examination. Yes it isn't perfect - there are still idiots out there. But, look at the masses, it does make better and safer drivers out of us. Without a licensing system there would be complete chaos and carnage on the roads. Now I agree, there fewer boating accidents than car accidents, but will this mean anything to you if your wife or child is killed in a boating accident because some idiot didn't know or care to learn about the rules of boating safety? I don't think so ... licensing boat operation is a very good thing. And it actually doesn't take much effort or money to do. We are talking about a week or two out of a person's life, and less money than it takes to fill our car up with gas. Mark

There's another common solution amongst experienced fishermen. I was fortunate enough to learn this early on. Basically take a thick drinking straw (like you get at McDonalds) and cut it in half. Then roll the leader around your hand loose enough that you can eventually get it off. Once looped together take it off your hand and squeeze it together to a pinch so you have the middle together and the ends looped out. Now feed one end of the looped line into the middle of the straw. Push it through until the straw is in the middle of the looped line. Now you have a leader line all nice and neat in a 4 inch x 1/4" gathering, and it won't kink. Mark