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  1. Hatchery worker comment... I hope you are joking... Otherwise that's ridiculous.and insulting to the people who work hard to bring us the fish that we all enjoy.. I've been to the hatchery many times and literally, they have to individually sort every fish in the ladder. If they are there, they handle them, every one of them... one way or another.
  2. That's not a blacknose dace.This link shows one If.you want an ID take it to your local DEC regional headquarters and get an ID from a biologist. Identification of minnows from a picture is difficult at best even if you take a good picture and know the characteristics. Maybe this is what you are getting at Goldfresh and you want to be responsible, but If you don't know what it is, DO NOT sell it. Below are the allowable baits for purchase in NY. Collection, transport and sale (and use) of an unidentified bait from Maine sounds risky and may.be illegal. https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/fishguide.pdf From the regs guide... Greenlist Golden shiner • Emerald shiner • Common shiner • Spottail shiner • Banded killifsh • Fathead minnow • Bluntnose minnow • Eastern silvery minnow • Northern redbelly dace • Stonecat • Tadpole madtom Blacknose dace • Longnose dace • White sucker • Northern hogsucker • Creek chub • Fallfsh • Logperch • Margined madtom • Brindled madtom
  3. .. According to DEC reports, effort in Tribs and Lake are about equal.. https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/2019lakeontannualrep.pdf https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt16.pdf Lake Angler Hours last ten years Apr-Sep: 905,357 898,339 848,905 937,822 980,409 879,681 787,588 709,638, 922,527 820,695 All NY Lake Ontario Tributary Angler Hours including the Salmon River (Sep-May) 2005-6 2006-7 2011-12 2015-16 1,001,990 913,646 1,582,428 989,437 In 2018-2019, Salmon River Sept-May: 840,258 angler hours, 2nd highest ever. Seems eveyone has an equal stake.
  4. Check sections 3 of the 2015 and 2016 DEC reports for that info. https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27068.html DEC tagged each port differently and tracked the straying back to the Salmon River hatchery and found low straying from other sites to the Salmon river or hatchery. They also looked at tags to track the source of what is caught at ports through the year and in streams in the fall.. Most strays went to streams nearby where they were stocked.
  5. NOAA marine offshore forecast will give wind and waves by zone.. updated every 4 hours https://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data//raw/fz/fzus61.kbuf.glf.lo.txt For nearshore... Closer than 5 miles from shore by zone including lake erie https://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/raw/fz/fzus51.kbuf.nsh.buf.txt
  6. There's also coho salmon clipped out there. See https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/112942.html for more info.
  7. The 50% value was from the river harvest, not the hatchery. The %wild at the hatchery was much lower. Not many wild fish strayed into the hatchery. From the 2014 DEC report., "The percentages of wild fish in the hatchery from 2009-2014 varied by age and year class but were generally low with weighted (by sample size at each age) averages of 1.4%, 2.2% and 14.5% for the 2008-2010 year classes, respectively." "The low proportions of wild fish in the hatchery were in sharp contrast to the high proportions of wild Chinook salmon found in the Salmon River angler harvest sample, suggesting that wild fish display a low degree of straying into the SRH. Although wild fish are a substantial component of the Salmon River fishery, they do not contribute much to the hatchery broodstock..."
  8. Coho vs Atlantic. Coho has a black tongue and grey gums Atlantics tongue is light colored Coho has spots on upper lobe of.tail Atlantic.does not have spots on tail Coho has more rays in the anal fin >12-15 and Atlantic has 9-10 Browns also have 9-10 rays but they have a square tail vs Atlantic slightly forked. Browns have thick caudal peduncle, and 2 rows of teeth on the roof of mouth vs Atlantic have one. Steelhead have horizontal rows of small spots on both lobes of tail and a white mouth.
  9. Both New York and Canada tagged fish for pen project studies, and they found that the lake is a big melting pot of Kings during the spring and summer......fish caught at one port are from stockings all over the lake including Canadian fish.
  10. Vince: You might want to doublecheck with your DEC source. Everyone I've talked to who was actually there when the fish were rechecked (including the pen fish) say the trailer clipping was 98-99% accurate. Maybe you are confusing "clip" with "tag" as only a portion of the kings have been tagged. See the 2010 DEC stocking report. http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_ ... 0part1.pdf Also any report I've seen on ageing of Chinooks says that Kings are age 1-4 in Lake Ontario. See section 2 of the 2010 DEC report, table A10 and A13 for age breakdowns, or section 9 for fish in the hatchery. or page 41 of the Ontario MNR report, http://www.glfc.org/lakecom/loc/mgmt_un ... 011.01.pdf So all stocked kings in 2012 will be clipped (most, >95%) are now). I agree that there are enough alewife to produce big Kings but John's post is right on....that stocked and wild kings may both be important parts of the fishery. Time will tell.
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