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Ain't it the truth, I sent it to my brother after he got his new ranger and forgot the plug in a tourney last weekend, have to have a little fun time to time. Sent from my iPad using Lake Ontario United

Yea I agree Nick, an owner of a 24 ft 6000lb boat shouldn't need signs to tell him not drive that size of a boat on the trailers that aren't designed to or meant to but then again mines only a 19 ft 1500lb aluminum that has a trailer designed for driving onto. Almost sounds like a big boat little boat scenario. I do find it amusing though that we put signs up for things were supposed to do. Sent from my iPad using Lake Ontario United

Good to hear there getting the Kings started, wasnt able to get up there this weekend but hopefully this week I can make a trip up after work. Regarding the power loading bit, to be truthfully honest, if I didnt read it on here from an earlier in the month post not to power load on the trailer Ive would of done it too. There really should be some signs for whatever its worth. As far as doing it to be lazy? Well hence the term drive on trailers.... I guess i got it from growing up in a Ranger bass boat family. Anyway, I did get the year pass and love it up there, a bunch of good people up there.

Lively, anything can be done. Like you said the ole timers use to do it the simple way but the trouble with oaring is you need someone to keep the copper moving (jerking). If it were me, and what you have currently to use, I would use the twin minnow / flat fish method so that you can hold on to it while your moving the boat along. It will also help you get down farther in depths as you move along. Youll have to keep a good pace though. Generally a tad faster with the twins than with Pluegar types but not that much. By the way, I didnt mention, dont try and roll the copper up when you get a fish on that reel. Its meant really to only hold it. Just pull in the copper and lay it on the floor without making too much of a mess. Once you get the fish off just put the copper back out. Once your done you can wind it back on the reel. Jason, Les has agreed to pay for all of the cost of the dies for the matching Pfleuger sets and named me as one of the testers to see how they roll. He may disagree but hes really saying yes he supports it.......

No big deal Chris, looks freakin long....... Again congrats!

Sorry for the font, Ill tell you though you can forget my post cause Les's is right on the mark, by the way Les, let me know if you need help getting those two babys wet, I can watch them for you for a couple of weeks.........

Yea, we Northenders call it Jerking wire lol..... This is a great topic with not a lot of written material on the how to do it. Theres been some really good points and ill add with what apb mentioned, a lott of it is going to be trial and error and the "feel" that you gain while learning it wil become so valuable over time its crazey. As a matter of fact when you have your first fish on especially if its a good one, youll think you snagged bottom. There is also a book by Earl Holdren out there that speaks about copper as well. Cant remember the name of it but its a good one. Someone on here wil know what im refering to as well as copper experts out there. Heres my tips, 1. Pick the style your going to do and stay with that technique while your trolling, meaning dont expect to pull copper and run down riggers with NK spoons to catch rainbows. Your speed, as Capt Spike mentioned is slow. A. If your going to use a Pleuger type ( hook is permanently attached to the spoon) tie copper directly to ring of spoon. No monafiliment. Troll at a consistant depth meaning dont go over shoals or deep areas, try and stay at a depth where the bottom stays the same depth so that there isnt a confusion of you in contact with bottom. Always remember, no bottom, no fish. Let it out slowly at first so it doesnt loop onto itself while you let it out. As mentioned once you let out some, jerk it a few times to see if you are touching bottom, if not keep letting it out, once you hit bottom, you will need to constantly jerk it off bottom some will double jerk it with the motion. Your trying to imitiate a sculpin or baitfish going from stone to stone on the bottom. Dont try this frist out deep. Like say 100 feet, It wil be too hard to know if your on bottom. Try it at around 40 - 50 ft or so. There should still be fish there. Once you get the hang of it you can let more out and run deeper. I know guys that can jerk in 100-120 but it takes a lot of copper, good victrola reel to be able to get there. 3. If your going to use a twin Minnow or Flat Fish, youll need a bead chain tied to the copper and a 30-36 inch 30lb monafilament to the eye of the lure. No snap. Troll at a consistant depth meaning dont go over shoals or deep areas, try and stay at a depth where the bottom stays the same depth so that there isnt a confusion of you in contact with bottom. Always remember, no bottom, no fish. Let it out slowly at first so it doesnt loop onto itself while you let it out. As mentioned once you let out some, jerk it a few times to see if you are touching bottom, if not keep letting it out, once you hit bottom, hold on to it so that you feel the lure skipping across the rocks / bottom. You can jerk it every once in a while but I like to keep it steady until a fish hits. Once bottom goes away youll either have to let more out or check it for mussels or weeds. Once you get the hang of it, youll know when the action is messed up from a tiny shell or mussell. Also, as mentioned carefull on your turns, the copper sinks when you turn, also dont kink it, bad mojo. and dont stop pulling in the fish, always keep the line tight if at all possible, unless you have that monster on, with that im going to say good luck as I cant give you that bit of info of what your in for lol. Good luck.

Hey that's awesome Les, that Oakie Dokie put us in the money several times years ago, he has some great lures. Thanks for sharing. Really cool. Sent from my iPad using Lake Ontario United

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Way to go! What a tank. What was the length of that beast. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United

Mike, some real studs there, so cool to see that rod not even budge on those lakers. Thanks for sharing that. Might be a road trip some day. Sent from my iPad using Lake Ontario United

Man what a fish. Congrats and hats off to for letting it fight another day. Truly a monster. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United

Thanks Ed and Les. Nothing like getting back to the roots from time to time. Always brings back memories. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United

So I was wondering, wonder how the little guy would like a different style if fishing..... Let's get the Copper out! As you could imagine "how are we going to catch a fish like that?" While we were setting up. Tried Twin minnow, lost 6 that just wouldn't stay on. Had to break out the Pflueger. Within minutes we had one comin. Bman had a ball. A little more work he just may get a box of his own someday. He's got the technique down. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United