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  1. Lucky13
    These should keep you busy for a while. Then, please provide some data other than the boat survey on predator distribution out in the Lake, not saying Gambler is wrong, but I know of nothing other than anecdotal information, it's not like anyone is gill netting out there. https://henrysfork.org/files/Rob Blog/C%26R mortality review.pdf http://www.wildsteelheaders.org/science-friday-how-does-catch-and-release-affect-steelhead/ https://www.psmfc.org/steelhead/2016/Bentley_Steelhead_C&R_mortality_Steelhead_Mgmt_Meeting,_March_8,_2016_for_PSMFC.pdf https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165783618301553 Abstract only https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226522409_A_Review_of_Catch-and-Release_Angling_Mortality_with_Implications_for_No-take_Reserves Many abstracts
  2. Lucky13
    As a point of clarification, the size change for steelhead is only applied to the tributaries. The size in the lake remains 21”.
  3. Lucky13
    From Jana Lantry’s last report on the Boat Fishery, in the 2017 SOL report: “For 32 consecutive years (1986-2017), the majority of rainbow trout caught and harvested were in the west area (Lantry and Eckert 2011; Table 14a). In 2017, 67.2% of all rainbow trout caught and 75.3% of those harvested were from the west area. The majority of rainbow trout catch (52.1%) and harvest (56.3%) occurred during August (Table A14a)." This does not sound like a random distribution to me. Maybe the Sandy Creek Operators are not specifically targeting rainbows, but west of there, not so much.
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    I can’t speak for Dave, have not heard from him since last fall, and I am out of al but one loop with NYSDEC on the lake currently. I have been a staunch supporter of the 25” size limit since the first round of “debates” on this, the data clearly indicates that this gets most of the steelhead back into the tributaries once to spawn, and 25” is starting to be a trophy fish. As to C+R, I agree with Dave that any fish that is properly released at least has a better chance of survival than the one that hits the box, that one is definitely dead. I know the one Brown in the tributaries has been floating around since Dave McNeil of Sea Grant was attempting to organize tributary anglers 15+ years ago, and it was most vocally expressed by Ron out at the Oak. But many of the Charter operators have expressed their disgust with the egg harvesters on the tributaries in the fall on these boards, and it is still three in the Lake (although maybe trib anglers should really stir the pot and push for a one brown limit there as well, and resurrect he one steelhead limit, as long as our noses are out of whack) so I don’t understand being upset unless of course your egg harvesting is disrupted by this. This is a preproposal, so there will be lots of future opportunities to comment.
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    What, only the Coast Guard paper holders are allowed to have their noses up the DEC' backsides?
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    For those who may not be as adept at finding all this (and Gill’s post is the first I’ve heard of any of this, thank you, sir.) http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/115977.html Great Lakes regulations under consideration Extend the open season for lake trout in Lake Ontario and the Lower Niagara River (2020_GL 01) Email a comment Description: Open the Lake Ontario/Lower Niagara River lake trout season on December 1 (currently opens January 1). The season would be closed from October 1 through November 30. Rationale: Anglers targeting rainbow trout/steelhead in the Lower Niagara River frequently catch lake trout. Since lake trout spawning is largely over by the end of November, opening the lake trout season on December 1 will provide anglers with additional opportunities to harvest trophy lake trout without jeopardizing lake trout restoration efforts. Reduce the daily creel limit for brown trout in Lake Ontario tributaries (2020_GL_02) Email a comment Description: Reduce the daily creel limit for brown trout in Lake Ontario tributaries from 3 fish per day to 1 fish per day (excluding the Lower Niagara River). Rationale: This potential change is intended to prolong high quality brown trout fishing opportunities through the winter months, while still allowing anglers the opportunity to harvest a trophy fish. Fishing effort on Lake Ontario tributaries can be intense each year from fall through spring, and maintaining high quality brown trout fishing opportunities relies on anglers releasing a high proportion of their catch. Increase the minimum size limit for rainbow trout/steelhead on Lake Ontario tributaries (2020_GL_03) Email a comment Description: Increase the minimum size limit for rainbow trout/steelhead on Lake Ontario tributaries from 21" to 25" (excluding the Lower Niagara River). Rationale: This potential change is intended to prolong high quality rainbow trout/steelhead fishing opportunities through the winter months, while still allowing anglers the opportunity to harvest a trophy fish. Anglers have noted smaller rainbow trout/steelhead in recent years, and declining rainbow trout/steelhead fishing success as the winter season progresses. Decrease the daily creel limit for rainbow trout/steelhead on Lake Ontario and the Lower Niagara River (2020_GL_04) Email a comment Description: Reduce the daily creel limit for rainbow trout/steelhead on Lake Ontario and the Lower Niagara River from 3 fish per day to 2 fish per day. Rationale: Rainbow trout/steelhead provide the primary sportfishery in Lake Ontario's tributaries from November through the following spring. This potential change is designed to increase numbers and sustainability of rainbow trout/steelhead in the tributary fishery by reducing open lake harvest during periods when Chinook fishing success in the lake declines and more anglers specifically target rainbow trout/steelhead.
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    I wanted to buy some 5's a few years back as they were the closest to the old Miller I got from my Grandfather. At that time she told me they had the spoons, but only in brass (gold) as they had lost their plater, and had not found another. They may have a new plater who hasn't got it down as well as the old one. Plating is getting to be problematic as the degreasers and the plating solutions are very expensive to dispose of. The brass ones worked great up in the 'daks, same size as the YOY smelt in early August, we went through my trial purchase in the first couple of days. I'm looking at finishing some of my old 44's with holographic sheets, but the additional weight of the adhesive and the sheet and a lacquer finish might ruin the action.
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    I can see red spots on the sides, and more red on the adipose and caudal fins than I would associate with a landlocked, so I'm voting brown. This is a great example of why ECO's count the rays in the anal fin, and check the roof of the mouth ( I've been with an ECO when he did it to some landlocks we caught in Fourth Lake in the Fulton Chain.) The way I see it, the mouth does extend behind the eye, also.
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    I heard from Web Pearsall, Region 8 Fisheries Manager, last fall, that Region 8 was doing lampricide applications in Seneca Tribs last fall. He was aware of the complaints about lousy fishing early in the year, but also said that his informants indicating that things picked up later in the season.
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    We have Washington ( Chambers Creek) strain, Skamania strain, and McCloud strain fish in Lake Ontario. All are the same species, Oncorhynchus mykiss, reclassified from Genus Salmo because a Russian taxonomist was determined to have described and named the species first. The Chambers Creek fish go into the rivers and streams that are stocked with "steelhead," most if not all Skamania's go into the Salmon River, and both are raised at the Altmar hatchery. The McCloud fish are descended from the fish brought to NYS by Seth Green, are shore stocked along the lake at various locations, are raised at the Randolph hatchery, and are often referred to as domestic rainbows . While the saltwater distinction is maintained by some biologists and a lot of west coast fishers, many also see the freshwater transplants as also being "steelhead, because they follow the same stream, big water, stream life cycle as they do in Saltwater.
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    As for Victorlas, the spring motors were generally obtained from old units left on the curb for the trashman. Nowadays, people look for the trolling units so they can get a spring motor for restoring a Victrola. If someone manufactured a spring operated motor now, that would handle 200-300 feet of line, I'd buy a couple, pulling wire is very effective up in the 'daks, where the bottom is generally too rough and variable for downriggers!
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    Holdren’s classic has been out of print for quite a while, and will bring a fair number of dollars if you can find one in fair or better shape. Some of the book is printed as an appendix to the Sander’s Guide that covers the Finger Lakes, but the Sander’s Guides are also getting kind of rare. I’m surprised that no one has seen an opportunity to re-release these very helpful books from the past, I’ve used some of his odd tricks, like a streamer or a wetfly up the leader, with great success in the Adirondacks, and there are a ton of different topics discussed on all aspects of trout fishing in the Fingers. His description of the “submarine currents” and their effects on the lure alone is worth the price of the book, although $125 is rich for my bank account.
  13. Lucky13
    If the Genny ever comes down, you'll find him down there!
  14. Lucky13
    I caught a 27 incher a few years back. I mentioned this fish to Matt Sanderson of Region 8. He told me that every year they get a couple of reports, same area of the lake (sorry, you'll have to get Mr Okrepki to tell you where that is, he knows everything about walleyes!), similar sizes. They know there is some limited reproduction going on as they have not stocked walleyes in a very long time in there. They will not increase this population through stocking as their surveys indicated that the majority of the angling population favored maintenance of Hemlock as a trout fishery.
  15. Lucky13
    Actually, the meeting was last May.
  16. Lucky13
    There were Browns in Kueka before stocking, they raise them at the Bath Hatchery, and occasionally one or two escape.
  17. Lucky13
    From the Power Point used at the meeting back in the spring. (my bold) Management Actions/Proposals • Continue monitoring salmonine populations  Gillnetting (3 yr), Angler diary (annually), spring RT (annually), RT production (3 yr), Biomonitoring (coordinate agencies) • Stock Finger Lakes strain rainbow trout yearlings  Hatchery limited • Eliminate brown trout and/or Atlantic salmon stocking • Develop plan to monitor warmwater fishery • Determine status of walleye population • Develop forage fish assessment plan • Stock cisco
  18. Lucky13
    From a post from a diary cooperator last March, "From Diary program. “considering the current forage conditions in Keuka Lake, we are temporarily discontinuing these stocking programs.” (Browns/Atlantic). Rainbow stockings will get yearling Finger Lakes strain rainbow stockings in place of fingerlings. A bit larger fish.... "
  19. Lucky13
    They netted at the end of June. They likely netted at the bottom in relatively deep water, as the lake was likely starting to strongly stratify. Rainbows, browns and walleyes would be unlikely to be in that "slice" of the lake, they would still be shallower.
  20. Lucky13
    It has always been my sense that New York would not mind getting rid of all the shags. It is the US Fish and Wildlife Service that controls those strings, not NYSDEC.
  21. Lucky13
    Definitely a trophy there!! And in the summer, too! Back in the day, when there were a lot of bigguns around, I passed on mounting anything under 20, never broke that mark, and could have been admiring 5 bigger than 17, including a gorgeous 17 lb 5 oz hen, which I kept and weighed at Whitaker's at the request of the owner, Jim Rusher. As Whaler says, if it looks good to you, go for it. If you want to do C+R, take a lot of pix and go for a reproduction mount, they are really great these days, as you can sometimes see on ths website.
  22. Lucky13
    This is not true. There is a dam on Beaver Dam brook not far upstream of the Rt 22 bridge over it, less than 1/4 mile upstream of the hatchery. If they were concerned about stopping natural reproduction in tributaries, they would have to deal with Trout Brook and Orwell Brook, both of which offer miles of good gravel. The gate on Beaver Dam forces the fish to take the ladder. After egg take they often drop the gate.
  23. Lucky13
    How much except the license fee, and the Pittman Robertson money is actually available to use for "the maintenance of the fishery?" Seems to me that all the rest of that "revenue" ends up in private pockets.
  24. Lucky13
    Three weeks ago there were fish cutting redds, fair numbers of hens around. Two weeks there were lots of solitary males around did not see a fish cutting in three days. Last week saw next to nothing except really zombie males, but the water went up after 1/2 day. I think the bulk of the salmon have come and gone, although a friend who works in the hatchery said there were still a few freshies in the ladder.
  25. Lucky13
    I caught a brown trout in Hemlock Lake a few years back that had the strangest color markings I had ever seen. I thought maybe it was a tiger trout, a brown brook hybrid. I sketched it as I did not have a camera. The DEC biologist with whom I spoke said they see all kinds of strange pigmentation. He also said that, just like with people, in any large population, some individuals will develop diseases. Maybe (and lets hope) that is what is showing here, not the beginnings of some new disease from somewhere else that came in on a boat, or in some of that “harmless” bait people think it is all right to haul from the Atlantic or down south. But I agree that it is important to document this stuff, and communicate it, as if it is problematic, the biologists have the heads up earlier rather than later.
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