Lucky13

Contact Ron Ditch about what happens when you do not get a permit. And we all know that states cannot go rogue from the Feds, (except for harassing Trump and granting sanctuary to illegal immigrants. and …) After the east end shooting incident, they continued to colonize Galoo and the other islands, and the population only stabilized when DEC obtained the USF+WS permit and started oiling eggs.

The limit on I Bay is 25 mph, and 5 mph within 200 feet of shore normally. You could open it up, but you would be liable for any shoreline damages you caused, and the Sherriff is likely to be " more observant", as will be the property owners. And you would give a whole bunch of other boater/fishers a bad name.

The Town may have closed the I Bay launch to reduce traffic on the bay, lots of low lying-close to the water houses in German Village and Schneckel Cove, and I am sure all the folks who dock at Mario's are travelling wake free for the hour+ it takes for them to get to the outlet.

CYA... errr, Liability!

DEC may have accomplished this, but they had a permit from USF+WS. The birds are federally protected. And I recall hearing that USF+WS tightened up their policies last year.

Maybe you all forget the "unauthorized harvest" undertaken by Ron Ditch et al in the Eastern Basin. I spoke with an ECO who was involved with some shooting of shags off Galoo with a USF+WS permit, and he echoed what the "private" shooters said, the birds are suckers for the first volley, after that they learn very fast and become very difficult to get nearby for a second round. My ECO friend said they basically gave up quickly for lack of targets. Egg oiling seems to be the way to go, even if it is not as dramatic. When they started up around Snyder's Island on IBay, we of they stay out at Sandy, try to find out where they are going at night, you may be able to get them on the list if they can get in and get at eggs. Also, DEC has their hands just as tied as everyone else's, this is totally USF+WS. But try looking into permitted harvest in LA, they do a number on Aquaculture facilities there and the feds allow some pretty massive numbers to be killed. Maybe that Senator we are paying to run around the country running for President can do something about them!

Pen raising of steelhead was not an issue at Sandy (I am told by someone connected with the program out there) because Sandy steelhead were direct stocked because the pen they intended to use was recalled by Orleans County, where it then sat on the bank ot the creek out there not being used.

That HUGE population of shad is also likely why no one catches them through the ice, I see those little buggers every time I drill a hole out there in the winter. With the cold spring, a lot of the eyes may have still been up in the creek for the opener.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/85787.html There are lots of Lakes on the map that have smelt and have healthy lake trout populations. Lamprey and over harvest are usually given credit for the decline of Lake Trout populations in LO, and water quality in the 50's and 60's in the big pond wasn't helping anything. From an Ohio publication on Blue Pike: (my bold) http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Blue_Pike?rec=2783 The extinct blue pike (Stizostedion vitreum glaucum) were often confused with walleyes, of which it was a subspecies. Differences include the larger eye of the blue pike and their bluish-gray back, fading into bluish-silver on their sides. Another name for the blue pike is the blue walleye. Blue pike had similar spawning activity of the walleye. They did not build nests, but were free spawners during April and May. Adults reached an average body length of nine to sixteen inches and weighed five ounces to one and a half pounds. They were carnivorous, eating mainly fish but also aquatic insects. Blue pike habitat consisted of the clearer areas of Lake Erie, mainly in the eastern two-thirds of the lake. Bass Islands in the fall and winter Blue Pike were extremely important to the Lake Erie commercial fishing industry. The commercial catch in 1885 was 3,152,400 pounds. The annual catch for all U.S. and Canadian ports between 1950 and 1957 ranged from 2,000,000 to 26,000,000 pounds. In 1959, catch numbers dropped to only 79,000 pounds. In 1964, fish dealers sold less than 200 pounds of blue pike. Years of commercial fishing had taken their toll. Similar statistics occurred in the United States wherever there were blue pike. No blue pike were found around Cleveland between 1971 and 1975. They were thought to be extirpated from the Ohio. In 1977, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service listed them as endangered in the United States. The blue pike has been considered extinct since approximately 1983. The main causes are attributed to uncontrolled commercial fishing and hybridization with walleye. Smelt are definitely nonindigenous, but I've seen nothing that indicates that they have had any effect on other populations to the extent that alewife have.

If you take a look at the Baitfish report for Lake Ontario, you will note that the smelt biomass is just a shadow of what it once was. Because they are so few and far between, except maybe at Lewiston, you kind of have to go and stand around and watch and wait on the chance that a small school actually comes into the tributary you are on. The days of filling 5 gallon pails are long gone. Most of us gave up our nets long ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/world/canada/canada-flooding.html Same conditions downstream as 2017, too.

My bad math, since all the discussion was fall 2016, I got that number fixed in my head, but since they went in spring 17, it will be the 2 year olds this year.

How big were the eggs? The ovaries of female organisms (including fish) contain eggs at birth, but they are undeveloped. As the fish approaches maturity, the eggs develop, at the same time the digestive tract atrophies to allow room for the ovaries to grow. We routinely catch spring brook trout in the 'daks that are only 10-12inches long and the females contain ovaries that look like miniatures of the developed ovaries. Maybe someone has gotten a "ball park" estimation of the alewife numbers for this year, it is way too early for anything definitive. Also, isn't this the first year that the first (20%) cut in King stocking hits three years old?

Isn't the water a lot colder than normal for this time of year? Don't the alewive come in from the deep lake when the nearshore warms up? It's just early, be thankful they are not finding a lot of bait or they might not be eating lures!

"Pacific salmon (mainly Chinook and Coho Salmon) were stocked beginning in 1968 to suppress an overabundant Alewife population, provide a recreational fishery, and restore predator-prey balance to the fish community." Lake Ontario Fish Community Objectives 2013

Tanner in Michigan and his followers were not the first to attempt to establish Pacific Salmon in the Great Lakes, numerous attempts had been made starting in the mid-19th century. They did recognize that they were faced with an out of balance system where biomass was concentrated in one low level species (alewife) and top level predators (Lake Trout) had been nearly eliminated by a combination of overfishing, habitat degradation, and invasive lamprey. They are to be applauded for attempting to introduce a novel top level predator, especially in the face of past failure, to take advantage of the ballooned alewife population. Here in New York, control of alewife was certainly at the forefront of reasons given to justify an action that has had profound environmental impacts (and while all we hear about are the positives, there are quite a few negatives to these introductions pointed out by critics of these introductions , see “Salmonine Introductions to the Laurentian Great Lakes Canadian Special Publication of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences No. 132 An Historical Review and Evaluation of Ecological Effects”).

I would say that that depends on the structure of the Tournament. If the organization is a 501c (3) Not for Profit, then there should be a defined salary structure for employees of the corporation, and anything over that should be devoted to the mission of the Not for Profit. That said, aren’t there a ton of Not for Profits out there that pay their director’s nearly obscene wages? Think of Channel 21 NPR in Rochester where the CEIO makes at least 275K per year and they are still out at least twice a year with their hands out for donations, even with taxpayer support. And HMO’s are” Not for Profit”, but execs are making beaucoup dollars. I was never crazy about Schleyer, because he basically walked off with the tournament that had been set up as a Not for Profit with the Rochester Schools and converted it to his own little money making machine. But I think the current LOC is a standard business, so why should they have to give back more than what the pay in taxes? Should Charter captains have to give back part of the daily fee because they are using a public resource for commercial gain? An operation like Barcley’s might be being taxed as waterfront property at a higher rate, but should he also be limited in what he can make? As to specific definition, the bill is worded so if you come up with a new contest outside of what is being done now involving wildlife (already defined in the law for those who can or will read), it is prohibited.