New Sandy Creek Marina?

[rolmops]

On Sandy Creek just south and west of the bridge of the Parkway there is a lot of work (or so it seems) going on. The brush has been cleared out and they are advertising the availability of ice, fuel and, presumably, slips. But there is only one pontoon moored in that quite big place. It looks like a nice place, close to the lake and the creek is fairly deep over there already. Does it have a launch?. I would like to find out more, but the gate is closed all the time so it is hard to figure out what is going on. 

Any info?

[Gator]

We slipped there for fifteen years before the owner Bruce left for Florida and left most of us high and dry scrambling for dockage. It changed hands a few years ago; there seemed to be a push to renovate and re-open, but so far crickets. There may be a member here with better knowledge of the issues.

 

As for the facility: there is a small launch. The channel to the Creek is narrow but navigable. Optimally, I'd want to know that the gas tank was completely drained, cleaned, and refilled before purchasing. But it would be nice to have gas on Sandy again. 

[whaler1]

I texted with the owner a few years ago. Told me it was $65 a foot and if that didn’t work not to bother him. 

[rolmops]

7 minutes ago, whaler1 said:

I texted with the owner a few years ago. Told me it was $65 a foot and if that didn’t work not to bother him. 

I currently pay $35 ,so that is about half of what this other marina would cost. So unless this guy requires some common sense, he will have an empty marina.

[whaler1]

Sleepy Hollow Marina, where you dock is a great place and a bargain. If anyone needs a dock for $35 a foot, call Frank at 585-314-3569. Great guy and some of the best fishing on the south shore. 

[HB2]

I talked with Vince a few weeks ago. 

 

He said he blew out his back and was layed up for quite a while so things haven't progressed the way he would have liked . 

 

That being said , and this is strictly my observation running 2 businesses in my lifetime ,he has a huge outlay of capital out  over there with a lot more to be done . 

 

So he has to price it so it's profitable to even do it . I ran numbers and Bruce made squat over there . 

 

Those are some very nice docks he has made . Probably very costly . Also he has done a fair amount of work over there . So has has to charge accordingly . If he gets slips filled , well , let's see how that goes . And let the market decide if he is successful .  But I can see that place being very nice , pleasure boat friendly . Picnic tables , parking right by your slip , GAS , etc . 

[jlogger]

Gas tank is getting, emptied, cleaned, recertified and moved over to other side of marina in mid-summer. The new docks are getting anchored currently. The earthen fingers that anchored the docks previously were completely removed and were replaced with main docks. All of the docks attached to them are new.

 

I spent one season using the boat launch as my slip. I have fished out of Irondequoit, Port Bay and Sandy. Def like Sandy the best.

[whaler1]

51 minutes ago, HB2 said:

I talked with Vince a few weeks ago. 

 

He said he blew out his back and was layed up for quite a while so things haven't progressed the way he would have liked . 

 

That being said , and this is strictly my observation running 2 businesses in my lifetime ,he has a huge outlay of capital out  over there with a lot more to be done . 

 

So he has to price it so it's profitable to even do it . I ran numbers and Bruce made squat over there . 

 

Those are some very nice docks he has made . Probably very costly . Also he has done a fair amount of work over there . So has has to charge accordingly . If he gets slips filled , well , let's see how that goes . And let the market decide if he is successful .  But I can see that place being very nice , pleasure boat friendly . Picnic tables , parking right by your slip , GAS , etc . 

Empty docks bring in no money. 

[Gator]

It sure sounds like a heck of an investment. My wife and I ran the numbers when Bruce was selling the place, thinking long term investment, and we simply couldn't make them work for us. But then again, neither of us have the experience to establish sweat equity in a marine venture, either. 

 

I am rooting for him. It would be nice to have a more vibrant culture on the Creek, and the on-site gas would be great, even if it means that our not-so-hidden gem is exposed. The size of the marina may be it's undoing though. IMHO, a modest operation with twenty or twenty five docks would be feasible, but I'm no expert and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[rolmops]

It might be too many marinas chasing too few customers.

Even today Sleepy hollow Marina (Frank's) is mostly empty slips in spite of his very reasonable prices. Tom does well because he has a launch, a repair shop on the premises, a great loving golden retriever and just a happy attitude towards life.

[HB2]

2 hours ago, whaler1 said:

Empty docks bring in no money. 

As a life long carpenter , I can tell you that more than once , mostly early in my career , I underbid jobs and after , payroll , materials , and other overhead , it actually cost me money to go to work on that project . So just because those slips are full , doesn't mean you are profitable  

 

44 minutes ago, Gator said:

It sure sounds like a heck of an investment. My wife and I ran the numbers when Bruce was selling the place, thinking long term investment, and we simply couldn't make them work for us. But then again, neither of us have the experience to establish sweat equity in a marine venture, either. 

 

I am rooting for him. It would be nice to have a more vibrant culture on the Creek, and the on-site gas would be great, even if it means that our not-so-hidden gem is exposed. The size of the marina may be it's undoing though. IMHO, a modest operation with twenty or twenty five docks would be feasible, but I'm no expert and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

The profit is in the numbers . It takes X amount of money to pay the mortgage,taxes , insurance ,etc etc 

Once that threshold is met , then profit happens . 

 

[whaler1]

Like a restaurant charge as much as you want but fill the seats. At $65 a foot that is going to be difficult to do.