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Tim - Why did Musky guys object? FT - By all means please take your son out more. It might help a youn-ing outfish the old man. (Just remember that famous expression: "Here Dad, you take it...it's a little one") Tom B. (LongLine)

NYS Law: Michigan Law: I look at the two sections above as follows: NYS: -Defines all applicable fishing methods. -Require immediate attendance (My note: if your crew is sleeping in the cabin, you better pull his lines or you’re illegal) -Stipulates two lines per angler (My note: This does not stipulate rods & reels therefore Seth Green rigs & small attended trot lines are allowed) -Limits number of lures/baits per line -Limits number of hook points per line -Defines non-applicable fishing methods (My note: It is legal to snatch/lift suckers in some inland parts of the state. Michigan: -Stipulates immediate release of foul hooked fish for hook/line fishing -Stipulates two lines per person -Limits number of hooks/lures per person. (My note: We say a small Rapala has two treble hooks or six points. They say that same Rapala counts as one hook) -States an exception which includes: ---Stipulates the “Great lakes areas†---Stipulates the “Act of trolling†---Stipulates “Targeting Trout/Salmon†---Allows three rods/lines ---Limits the number of hooks/lures total for that person ---Stipulates hooks attached to a lure or baited ---Stipulates that a lure counts as a hook. Basically what I proposed: -A special regulation for Sportfishing -Stipulating a certain season on the open waters and specifically not on the bays, rivers or channels -Stipulating only “Actively trolling for trout/Salmon†-Allowing 3 lines per person and that they must be attached to rods -Limiting the number of lures/baits for all of that person’s lines -Limiting the number of points on an individual rod -Limiting the number of lures/baits per boat -Stipulating hooks attached to a lure or be baited -Stipulating immediate release of foul hooked fish -Stipulating that the legal limit of fish is still in effect. The reasoning behind what I proposed is that I believe fishing should be a pleasurable recreational experience. I love being on the water and to me, fishing means catching a fish once in a while; not just spending a fortune every year on boat, gas, tackle, launch fees, registrations, licenses, inspections, etc to get skunked repeatedly. I feel the bait and the fish were out there this year and catches were definitely down. They were all over the place, in depth and in the water column. As pointed out by Fishstix, they were very picky eaters this year. 80% of the time I fly solo with 100% C&R, and strictly as a weekend warrior recreational fisherman. Although I will not seriously criticize any professional with a party that wants to keep their legally caught limit of legal fish. (Keyword: legal) My rigger probe is always down for speed & temp, therefore it always has a line on it. Where do I put my other line? Out?; down?; down & out?; Out-down?; back?; back & down? 50 years of experience & dumb luck make that decision for me. On the open water, you don’t see the fish. Even with the most sophisticated sonars, you only see a very small area (at least with what I can afford). What you see on your sonar is well in the past by the time you react to it. At best you hope for some other fish to repeat what you saw. Structure on the open lake is a lot different than in small lakes, bays, etc. I’m sure some guys are going to argue that people may be tempted to keep more than their limit. That is why I suggest stipulating in that reg that the legal limit still applies. I’m sure some will say but that gives the “40 ft meat wagons†more chance to rape natureâ€. That is why I suggest a boat limit on lures & that lines must be attached top rods. I’m sure some will say “combat fishing is too wild as it is.†That is why I suggest the season and prohibited areas. I’m sure some will say “you’ll just snag more fish.†That is why I suggest the foul hooking section and that hooks must be baited or attached to lures. I’m sure some will say “but you’ll have incidental catches of my Bass or Musky.†That is why I suggest “Actively trolling for Trout/Salmonâ€, prohibit certain areas, etc. I’m sure some guys will say “Where is the dividing point between the channel & the open water?†That is an item I would leave to the C.O.s, courts & witnesses with cell phones just as a lot of the current Trib & inland regulations are now. I’m sure some will say “I think the numbers you picked are too highâ€, or ‘too low’; or that the season isn’t the right length. That is why I’m open to suggestions and would like to hear what you guys think. (for &/or against) Tom B. (LongLine)

Welcome Mike. There's a lot of guys from the East end here. Definitely browns up that way. Tom B. (LongLine)

So the question is: Should anglers targeting salmon/Trout via trolling on the NYS open waters of Lake Ontario be allowed to use three rods per angler? Current regs allow anglers to use two lines with or with rod & reels, across the state. Tom B. (LongLine) Here's the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/3rrolo/petition.html (sorry...thought it was already here)

Brian, I could go for that. More lines in the water may/might (hopefully) make some guys more cautious/aware of their navigation in tighter quarters. How about Labor day? Day after is generally when guys start making a pass at the mouth then head out. Tom B. (LongLine)

Happy Turkey guys. Tom B. (LongLine)

Here's what I just wrote to Regulatory Coordinator for the Division of Fish, Wildlife & Marine Resources Rose Diana, Telephone: (518) 402-8985. E-mail: [email protected] Tom B. (LongLine)

So how about April 1st through Aug 1st ? NYS has quite a few fishing regulations in effect between certain dates. Tom B. (LongLine)

I believe Mich also has a hook/lure law to complement that rod law. I think the current two line rule is good for shoreline/tribs/bays. On the boats, I'd rather see a rod per person & lure/bait limit per boat for the open water. I'd propose boats could have 3 rods per person & 12 lure/baits for the boat. (If they want to limit each lure/bait to a certain number of points that's okay by me) Tom B. (LongLine)

I have no problems with guns. But when you shoot at me or my family then there's a problem & I'll nuke your freek'n butt :!: Tom B. (LongLine)

$2.45 at the Hess on E. Ridge Rd in Irondeqoit yesterday. Guess they think greed is a wonderful thing. :evil: Tom B. (LongLine)

Blacks. Take care of them & they'll last a long long time. I.E. Release the tension on them between trips, keep out of sunlight when not in use, keep out of "heat". I just replaced a couple that were over 20 years old. Tom B. (LongLine)

42 Deg ? Sounds like shorts & t-shirt weather to me. (well, almost) Tom B. (LongLine)

There's a sticker/label remover called "Un-Du" that works great at removing tapes and the sticky residue. It's used by scrapbook people & sold in craft stores. It works better than acetone. (still flammable, but smells better than acetone) It won't hurt the stock paint job on spoons. Tom B. (LongLine)

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Good Luck Steve. Hope you'll check in once in a while. Tom B. (LongLine)

Glad you weren't hurt. Seems like someone is getting hit under a different bridge every week or so. It was on Keeler St X-way a couple weeks ago. Tom B. (LongLine)

$2.59 in Palmyra today. (How come the high number loses in this game????) Tom B. (LongLine)

For anyone interested in Stan's lake, here's a site with some info. http://www.shastalake.com/shastalake/index.html Kind of a neat place. Tom B. (LongLine)

Fishinman - Don't scare him away. He finally learnted wear the punctuation key are. Tom B. (LongLine)

Stan, Sounds like those anti-600 ft guys have never fished a real lake. They've definitely never been on one of the Great Lakes. Which is okay I guess, cuz you're getting a leg up on them come derby time. (Pyramid Lake Nevada is about 1/2 the size of a few of our our Finger puddles...err... Lakes) Top Linning structure with a board can be extremely effective once you get the hang of it. Just use your boat handling skills to control the board. Many guys here fish boards in 3 FOW looking for early spring Browns. Tom B. (LongLine)

Good news on Salmon River Egg Collection: http://www.great-lakes.org/wklyfish_nz.html Tom B. (LongLine)

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Carpedium - Great outing, nice fish. I agree with Tim. I'm 100% C&R but will never condemn anyone their legal limit. Tom B. (LongLine)

Musky, Tom B. (LongLine)