skipper19

I like the name,.... a slow trolling water critter. Very nice rig

You Joined today just for that comment :?: :roll:

My friend Ray K is gonna have a field day with this but you can use copper wire on a old level wind reel to get down in the lower water columns for salmon. Similar to lead core trolling only less attractive to the sea fleas... The reel should have a line counter on it but it's not necessary if you count the line guide passes as you pay out the wire (my old penn 309 gives near 10 feet per pass)10 passes or 100 feet out will get you down about 22 feet, 20 passes or 200 feet 44 feet down , 300 ft 66 ft down and so on...this isn't exact science anyway when useing copper...heres an example of the method I'm talking about. Get 600 feet 30 lb copper stranded wire, (about 25 to 30 dollars) back it up with at least 400 feet or more of 30 lb power pro braid for a total of at least 1000 feet backing and wire, put some 8 to 12 feet of 30 lb flourocarbon leader on the terminal end of the copper and your set for the reel and line..check other discusions of copper applications under tackle and tech or description forum for more details of reels, knots and swivels and what works. Use a heavy action dipsey rod or even an old river snagger with stout line guides if ya got one layin around from the old days. Heck even a medium surf caster about 8 to 9 feet will work.. all it's gotta do is be tough enough to handle the heavy wire line. All ya need on your boat now is a good rod holder to park the rod in for the troll...Now you can drag around, a plain spoon , or dodger, flasher , fly combo that a downrigger can do without the expensive equipment. All in all I don't think you can fish cheaper than just using a dipsey diver and 30lb ande line with power pro backing and level wind reel on a rod that is stiff enough for the task of pulling the dipsey. You can get down to 60/70 feet and still keep fleas to minimum using the ande line. Hope this helps Mark

snubbers, rough knots, kinks in wire, frays in rigger cables and wire, all collect fleas..Hate EM :evil:

The fleas didn't seem to be a big problem right there, only collected a few at the knot on the swivel but I use 30 lb flea flicker too right now. Where the fleas are bad I've notiticed is beyond the .27 line near 350FOW and on out. They are so bad there that they sheild the sounder on my boat from the bottom lock (and no Ray the kid with the mask and snorkel holerrin FISH ain't it). The veil I was seeing was a wall of temp and current clash that had a lot of floatsum in it, green algea bloom, feathers, sticks, and the viel extended down and out to the outside depths. I believe the fleas DO ruin a good bite though, I'm sure it's like you and me when there is a polution in your atmosphere, it irritates the gills and eyes just like our lungs and eyes. You move away if it is bad enough. Some one once said on here don't get the fleas in your eyes. I havn't done that yet but It probably means they hurt

Nice goin' Ray....now ya let out my secret about the fertilizer fer the gardin :roll: Don't tell nobody else... cause the FDA still don't know where the tainted termaters is a comin from....SALMON...ELLA :shock: OMG ....SHOOT...here they come..I'm outta here :arrow:

Is that "CHAFF" or chafe.... as in on yer butt while in the buffy mode Yankee Clipper, ya better be afraid of that RK buffy mode, I've heard its very repulsive...

Started out west of port in .17w line at .24n line 170FOW...Found a nice veil running there at the 176FOW depth... Trolled through it to 185FOW 10 minutes with the riggers in the water and BAM! 16lb king whacks the starboard rigger. I'm thinking OK this is going to be a good AM bite..pull the fish on board and reset... troll around and through the veil again and back to the outside of it and another whack on the port rigger....on for a few tugs and GONE! Two hours later mid morning screen goes pretty much blank...HUH :? Where did they go :shock: Well so much for the hot AM bite...all 45 minutes of it. Wind blew hard out of the west after a bit and the waves built up to an unfishable condition for a solo operation, so trolled back to port without a hit. Heres the fish of the day It came on a red monkey puk nk 28 set at 70ft moving 2.8 MPH gps 60 feet back from the ball. The other hit came on a nk 28 alewife down 55. Never went north of 225 feet as heard reports out as deep as 475FOW and no fish with a down temp of 40 something just 40 feet below surface. All I can say is man these fish can hual butt out of the area when they aren't happy with something :roll:

Ya just had to do it didn't ya Ray, now ya got people talking about copper out house wirin' agin.....No wonder I couldn't yak atcha on the two way communicater from the Oak I need a bigger antenna (on my boat)... I could a told ya that there was nobody bein' mean around the breeze an Ya woulda had somebody ta tell ya where all the BIG fish was at :roll:

Maybe the extendable boat pole i mentioned could be modified in a way that you could push the motor down from inside the cockpit.. It seems like the only way to keep from steping out into the motor well would be to use some sort of sturdy pole like a good dock/boat pole with a removable tip so you could apply a soft head on it to push down on the cowl of the motor or a crotched vinyl coated attachment to push on the front motor handle/bracket... the kind of crotched attachment I'm thinking could work might be like a garage tool holder for a wall

I got on one the back of my center console. The transom has a built in dive platform which is an integral part of the hull. the same problem you are having with the rough water and hangin out to lift and drop the kicker is what I had... Conseqently I had another problem with using the bracket for lifting the motor out of the water...that is I can't even reach the lever for the motor to lift or drop. Here's what I did to get around having to use the bracket for lifting and dropping...it's got several components but not expensive and only needs a little hillbilly enginneering. I have a Yamaha 9.9 four stroke...it may be the same as yours but I don't know what your using for a kicker. #1 I don't use the omc bracket to do anything but hold the motor in the up position cause my kicker reaches the water easily in that position. #2 My kicker has a lever to hold the engine in the tipped up position..and I use that.. with a combination of a spring attached to the lever to automatically apply pressure for locking the motor in the tipped up position..then to release the lever a string attached to it to pull from inside the cockpit of the boat. #3 Ok so now you have a method of locking the motor in the up position..now you need to have a way to phisically lift the motor to the up position and put it back down it back down in the water...that is accomplished with a GOOD boat hook. coated to keep scratches to a minimum but strong to handle the weight of the motor.. extendable for storage but with a good locking device...You will have to do some looking at the back of your motor to see if you can get the hook into the hand hold. #4 So the string works for the lifting chore by pulling on it to release the tip up lever while at the same time using the boat hook to muscle the motor up and down..it's also a good idea to put an extension cord and handle on the recoil starter if you don't aready have electric start. The only leaning to do is to make adustments to the tiller throttle. If you have a lockdown lever that grabs a bar under the motor for the purpose of keeping the motor locked down when in reverse..you will have to find a way to cancel the locking effect or you will not be able to lift the motor to the tipped up position again without getting out there next to the motor. mine uses a claw and removable bar.. to keep the claw from locking on the bar I slipped a piece of pipe around the bar to keep the claw from lathing onto it....that's it but you will probably have to improvise for your applications. hope this helps but you may find that all you have to do is fiqure a way of operationg the omc lever in the same fashion as the boat hook and string somehow. Mark

Got out at 6:30 am set up out west of port in 170 fow, good marks on the graph moved in a nw direction and FINALLY...one of the baby kings I kept thowing back got out of his diapers and grew up to be a teenager. 14 lb king. It was good for about the first hour then dried up about mid morning. Quit at noon had to go fix an EZ Steer problem. FOW if you venture out beyond the 27 line....ya better have some good flea repelent :x They are so thick out there that the sounder wouldn't penetrate through :shock: not to mention the power pro got inundated and triped all the releases. :evil: Mark

http://www.attheoak.com/fishrpt.html Try this if yer out in the western part of the lake

I once tried buckets with holes, not very effective.... not enough surface area and they clunk your boat unless you put them straight out the back and then they are less effective and in the way of trolling operations

Thanks diesel, same back atcha...Hope you enjoy the holiday BIG TIME

I fished canadarago a lot when I lived in the hills just south of there....I did real good on walleye on the west side of the island in 5 to 8 fow on a windy day just drifting a yellow bucktail and worm bounced off the bottom. worm harness worked good around sunken island too, but the troll was as slow as you could go and sometimes out of gear and slowing near astop would entice the bite......do think Ray is sincere about bein sad...really

put the lid on the pvc glue can a little quicker Ray...yer becomin disoriented about which bag yer talkin about ...pork or star bored :roll:

seems a good idea....On a side note, I found floating in the scum line out of the oak a couple a weeks ago a lunch bag and a piece of rubbermaid plasticware inside...no food (darn it) ....if someone on here lost it give me PM

You mean he will come to watch the carnage

Come on Ray....She's my cousins sisters mother, from Horseheads....you know us flatlander not so hilbilly Lyntuckians don't mix blood THAT close.... b'sides she can even do a good sheeep BHAAAA....I'm a gonna havta warch out fer you'n bein' down there near there....Remember I knows you sleeps in yer tub out there in the oak river an' waxin yer lures and poles

Ray is the man for the task, however he would probably forgo the thong and cape and use his tried and proven buffy mode thereby being able to more effectively deploy the lightning rod equipment and get cooked lamb chops as a bonus from the storm Yes this IS a serious topic now

My g/f thinks she needs to join the forum so she can talk to me, and she borders on bein a People Eatin The Animals member :roll: I tried ta take her out fishin (for two more rods) but she kept sayin OHHH look that poor fish is strugglin fer it's life! Then the barage of never ending :?: Do you think the hook hurts its little mouth, it can,t breath outta water can it...can we put it back into it's home... how long do think it will take for it to die if you put it in that box :shock: OMG you think YOU got problems.....

consider the different circmstances you might need a little extra horses in the kicker to do more than 2.4mph. 1) You got an extra motor to cover for a break down on the main engine so you can get back to port in reasonable time. 2) If you plan to use it as your main engine for use on some lakes where the required hp is 10 or less (like Hemlock and a few others). 3) Wind and waves are a real setback trolling west especially against the currents in Ontario. 4) Four stroke 2 cyl. kicker has the torque to turn a 3 blade prop to help in the steering department, not to mention sips gas like fine wine. 5) Environmental rules may change on certain lakes as they have in the past where the motor must be 4 stroke and even of an apropriate manufacture year to be compliant with rules on fuel contamination of their waters. Just a few of the things I can think of....I run a 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke on a 4500 lb center console with t-top and enclosure through the wind and waves going west in the big o and have been very satisfied with the results. There are occasions where the wind would slow the troll but a little tweak on the throttle and all is back to normal. If you need a little more you can always start the main for a little extra boost with out changing the throtle setting on the kicker.....Food for thought

not too many brownies around right now :? tried the 40to 60 fow out of the Oak early morn till 10am but nada....lots of bait though especially around the 40 near the bottom. Sunday was tough in the morning not much around but after the storms went by it picked up out at the 180 to 260 fow for steels.

Ya, thanks Ray for the help gettin the water outta my boat, I gotta remember ta hang that dingy thang off the leeward side so as the wind don't blow it back in....Hope there's no yella stains on yer crocs after that. Sure was good of ya ta take time ta stop yer buffy mode and give fluffy a break ta help me pull that kid outta my prop...next time I'll have ta tie him on ta the rigger and put a garden hose in his mouth ta breath with and a couple a jerks on th cable ta tell me about the fish so as it's more private...an that away I kin keep all the secrets of fishin hotspots