Need to find the gang around Clayton that are hand lining. They are crushing eyes dragging large balls ala 3 way, in the mud in a circle, as in dragging a downrigger weight but they have a ball system on a reel retrieve set up. The more they drag the same area, the more they are catching. I just heard about this today in my local bait shop. Kevin legg might have heard about it, he lives around there. Guys are fishing around them not catching with conventional methods.