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Not necessarily true. Their condition has not declined enough to make a huge difference. Seeing that the average alewife weighed 32.8 grams in 2024, they are not in bad condition compared to the historical weights. 1997 - 2023 the weights were 28.0 grams to 35.9 grams. The 2024 weight puts them just above middle of the road. If kings are eating age 1 alewife, they will have to eat more alewife. It will all equal out in the wash. Remember, if alewife are stressed, they carry more thiaminase. The more they carry, the less have to be eaten by kings to make a difference. Seeing that their condition is not horrible, I would suspect they aren't too stressed and levels are not too high.
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I have heard those things. They also stopped a lot of commercial salmon pens in estuaries of rivers. There was a huge issue with disease and sea lice decimating salmon populations of multiple species of salmon. A biomass issue on Lake Ontario is not an issue. The trawls have proven that. I read on the thiamine issue and levels of Thianamase fluctuate in alewives depending on how stressed they are. If they are stressed, the levels go up to insure their survival. Nature is crazy how it works. Too bad man has screwed a lot of things up for the worse.
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When dealing with state agencies, you have to prove it's a problem until you are blue in the face. I'm happy to see there is finally movement on a push to get legislation in place to do something about the problem. If I have to take a minute to report them and it helps, I will gladly help. I will also get my duck stamp and take up cormorant hunting if they make a season for them. For cormorants to be showing up where I saw them shows there is a real problem.
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The DEC does not want to do this. They do not want to alter the strain of kings in Lake Ontario right now. The strain we have has adapted to the thiamine issue enough that natural reproduction is flourishing. I said it before, Triploid kings. It would give us big king sterile kings that wouldn't alter the current genetics, and we could still have numbers of kings to catch. It's a win win.
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Some but, they are managed for the lake. Without coolers being filled, alewife populations wouldn't be kept in check. The stocking numbers are set expecting a certain amount being taken out of the system. The salmon creel limit is the same in the lake as it is in the river at 3. They are spread out in TRILLIONS of gallons of water and they make a choice to eat a lure on the lake. They aren't stuffed into shallow narrow runs and easy pickings for lifters and snaggers,,,,, Low water years, the biggest kings get ripped out long before hitting the upper parts of the Salmon River. A true 4 year old king has a better chance getting roped on a tributary than it has being put in a cooler on the lake (unless it spawns on the Garnaska). My point is, they are managed for the lake. IF that is true, manage them for the lake. Steelhead are managed for the tribs and restrictions were put on the creel limit and minimum size in the lake. Do we have size and creel restrictions for kings on the tributary with the biggest production of wild fish in NY? Should we? If we depend on natural reproduction to keep the salmon fishery managed for the lake going, we should. If it's a trib that doesn't support natural reproduction ie Genessee River, Sandy, Oak Orchard,ect, go ahead and leave it at 3.
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It completely makes sense. The Garnaska has a natural reproducing population of kings and the tributary is closed to fishing for the majority of the spawn. This would allow the biggest to reproduce without being yanked out before being able to spawn. A lot of the big kings caught on the lake are caught on the North shore. Hmmm. If the lake is truly managed for the lake and we depend on natural reproduction more and more, how come kings are allowed to be yanked off their spawning beds and roped on South Shore tributaries that support natural reproduction? I know, I know, the Salmon River salmon run supports the local economy. But managing for the lake should mean managing for the lake........




