Missdemeanor

Not really a choice now.... Playing nice in the sandbox has not worked...plan B will have to do Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Semantics Dave.... Really... How about you worry about your own stomping ground Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I'm not sure why this dead horse keeps taking a bat to the head. Congratulations.... You got your regulations... All this did was further the divide between stream and lake angler.. The thing is , NO WHERE in the history of the lake has a group of lake anglers pushed for regulations on the tributaries... So here it is... The regulations that you guys were promised.. I knew things were fishey when I heard trout unlimited was involved... If I could prove a special interest group was involved in getting regulations passed, you bet it would be all over the news.... I'm still digging on that one... So here is another side.... The DEC does not care one bit what the common lake guy thinks... Our observations don't matter.. They don't want to hear anything... The state of the lake meetings are garbage.. Pure lip service... I used to want to be involved with the meetings and focus groups... Now, not So much... It's a shame that it has come to this, but what's done is done ... You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube... Hoc confecto im Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

43 grains of Hell coming down range!!!! Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I have a Tarus .44mag. With a red dot on it... Perfect in my opinion.. Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I got the same rods Rick is running.... Fantastic!!! And when a crazy spring king hits one....look out!!! Lmao Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Lmao... I all ready got one of those... Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Someone will have worms for sure Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I agree with Gambler on a lot of things.... Including the pen rearing projects being very important for the fishery... The emphasis is on survivability instead of imprinting... Even when the stocking numbers were high ( not this joke we are contending with in recent years)... The returns were drastically lower after the closing of Caledonia... Even as good as the fishing was the past three summers, the return was low... So as far as imprinting, I don't buy into it. I do buy into the increased survivability factor... At least at the Genny I do.. The stained water hides our little buddies from the aerial assault that other ports contend with. No doubt that Caledonia coming back on line would increase returns... And like Rick said, a different hatchery not hooked into the S.R. could probably benefit the West end also... It's getting old going to these meetings and getting the "Talk to the hand" with any ideas we come up with... Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Absolutely! The DEC has openly admitted that the main objective of pen rearing projects are to increase survival rates rather than imprinting.... 2-1 survival to be exact. So there is no secret that since salmon raising at the Caledonia Hatchery has ceased, the fall runs in central and western tribs have drastically diminished. There really is only one cause... Now I'm a big proponent of the pen rearing programs. I just adjust my trips to focus on July and August for offshore Pelagics.. You can't count on Sept Stagers for potential targets. Yes, I have a big enough boat to go offshore to fish 2yr olds and Steelhead. The unfair thing is the small boats who rely on the fall stagers... Sucks for sure... As far as talking the talk and walking the walk.... Vince Definetly walks the walk... Like Vince and many posters on this thread, I've fished the Lake for over 40 years... No fancy diploma or a laundry list of white coats in my work history... Just hundreds of fish autopsies a season... I'd say that hours on the water and practical hands on experience would mean more than simply regurgitating data from articles and sitting behind a computer screen... 99% of us that Fish the Lake and the tributaries want better king fishing... The difference is in opinions of how do we get there... Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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Optimizer spoons.. Originally made by a guy named Jim Martino of Rochester NY. They are now a product of Trinidad Tackle Company. Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

That day we encountered some real funky currents.... Normally I like 2.3-2.5 for BTs... Couldn't go slower than 3.2 going into em... Even with a bag out. Tossed out optimizers and they chewed em up. I would have never believed it. Optimizers can be trolled up as fast as 3.7.... Mags even faster.... I don't really see a need to troll that fast, but in rough conditions, or freaky currents they work awesome. Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Hmmm.... Sent from my VS996 using Lake Ontario United mobile app