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Earl - I re-read your post and I now see what you were asking about potential damage to the copper by not letting it out all the way and adjusting as needed to different lengths as desired. My hunch is that as long as the copper diameter was big enough as to not slip over the edge of the roller (and possibly catch) or the roller didn't twist such that the copper got wrapped up in it another possible concern would come with the connection of the copper to leader and the connection of copper to the backing (e.g. knots or swivel connections) going across the roller over time and wearing, but otherwise just the copper itself would probably be OK as those AFTCO rollers are pretty smooth running. Probably the most important consideration running the copper the way you are mentioning is that it will not be running at the same depth as when it is run as a dedicated set-up with the backing exposed. With a dedicated setup the copper wire is running roughly perpendicular to the water whereas with the other setup it is at an angle and depending on speed it will be losing quite a bit of depth because of that angle and water resistance against the wire as contrasted with it running perpendicular and the angle will be on the less resistant backing. You really won't have much idea where you are running depth-wise run that way but as a dedicated line it should follow the chart data somewhat (again depending on speed and wire diameter etc.).
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I'm not sure about Lake George but in many of the Finger lakes where landlocks are they tend to congregate in late Fall right through now at the south ends of the lakes and can be found roaming the shallows as well as in the upper levels of deeper water and around creek mouths. At this time of the year the sawbellies go deep and are largely bottom oriented and the lakers often follow them out there in the depth near bottom but the salmon having a diverse diet and roaming "genes" seem to be all over and less predictable than lakers. I have caught them just under the ice in Keuka and rainbows and browns likewise on Canandaigua in water less than 30 ft.deep so they do roam around in shallower water in the winter time. I would be trying small say J7 Rapalas in silver and/or gold, small 2-3 inch spoons trolled at variable speeds (experimenting). The jointed Rapalas seem to tolerate higher speed and speed on turns a little better and just adding a large split shot about 3-4 ft above it can be productive and the floaters can go pretty shallow without problems A single color or two of leadcore can be productive with a red streamer run behind it on a small sized dodger too. It may pay to run lures further back than usual as it will slow them on turns which is in keeping with their metabolism now in the colder water.but don't assume that slow speed per se is totally necessary either because if they see something they view as vulnerable and are hungry they will go after it. I would definitely stay in the small to medium (at most) range for lures. I think you'll be OK with the strategy you mentioned above too. I have been told it is a somewhat fickle lake for silvers so you may have to "work" for them and cover a lot of water Don't be reluctant to try some "start and stops" intermittently along the way either.
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X2 I'm with Rick At some point folks have to step back and realize what is best practice for the entire fishery aside from money and special interests.etc. The process of spawning itself should be respected according to species too (e.g. perch in the Fingers). We are often too short sighted in our approach and "blinded" by short term interests which in the long run can really screw us over no matter whether lake or stream is our primary concern.
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Rob captured the essence of the decision. I have the X4D and a main reason I bought that particular model was the fact that you could have an additional display on your phone in addition to the main display. That allows my son to view the display on his phone from anywhere in the boat while I'm driving. I have found that the MAIN use however is the temp device itself and the Bluetooth functions aren't used as much as I thought as most of the time I just look at the display off and on and spend most of the time rigging stuff and deploying setups etc. I do like the down speed function of the X4D as it allows the ability to have a little better idea what your stuff is doing below surface (e.g. speed at the weight) and things like strength of the current (e.g. compared with surface speed and GPS speed on my finder) and what it might be doing to your lure action so I'm glad I got that model for my purposes at least. The Depth Raider and Moor Subtrol do a fine job of providing basic temp info etc. but sometimes the cable frays or cracks and the connection can become intermittent or unavailable. The Fishhawk probe depends on a 9 volt battery connection and probe seal integrity so it is really "six of one and half a dozen of another" I guess I have however thus far found my X4D to be flawless in performance and I know that the company has been flawless as well for any previous contact I have had with their other products in the past. Trevor Sumption the owner fully stands behind his products and I haven't heard of anyone that has reported anything different.
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Try 32 # copper sink rate isn't that much different than 45 at that depth and can get more on the spool with 30 or 40 lb backing.
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You don't always need huge temp differences either...sometimes just a couple degrees makes a difference with boards running right along the shoreline in just a few feet of water.
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It may not be an "either or" consideration. In my setups I have both braid and mono setups. The use of them depends on the depth of water I'm fishing and the species sought. In the shallow very clear water the braid shows up under water for a very long way. In the shallow water (e.g. less than 30 ft or so) it may be more important to be less visible and you can usually feel the biting pretty good with a decent rod; especially if you carefully watch your line movement; but in deeper water the feel becomes more important in detecting fish presence or biting and the line visibility becomes less important so the braid offers and advantage. Jigging for trout etc in deep water the 10 lb braid with a fluoro leader works very well and is superior to mono or straight fluoro. Panfish such as gills and crappies and perch as well in the shallow water are very wary in these recent clear water conditions so line diameter and visibility may be more important than just the "feel" of the bite providing you have a sensitive rod tip. I have even seen landlocks mouth the bait and suck a tiny panfish jig without the line moving under the ice and the only way I knew he was there was that I was looking down the hole at him
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It is a case of "more is not always better"
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A whole lot of things here that are valid considerations but probably the most important is how the particular weapon feels in your hands as is important in selecting handguns. The other issues mentioned can be whittled down to your purpose but using an uncomfortable firearm affects everything from satisfaction to accuracy and should be a main consideration regardless of caliber or model selection or ballistics.
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Brian I consider you to be a lake Ontario Laker expert and I know the Lake O fishery is different than that of the Finger Lakes etc. but after over 50 years of catching them in both places and salmon since the mid seventies I'm pretty familiar with both species as well, but I am no formally trained biologist either so my opinion probably should be taken with that in mind, but in all those years I have never seen anything other than than alewives (than one instance of what looked like a partially digested cisco) in the Pacific salmon stomach contents. On the other hand I have seen just about everything in the stomach contents of lakers including quite a few surprises such as a rubber worm, a jig, Zebra mussel shells, crayfish. and freshwater clams and also when rainbow smelt were around a lot of them were in the contents along with stonecats (freshwater sculpin). The sculpin ( in the Fingers historically and Lake O as well) are a favorite food source for lakers in the Spring and again in the Fall when they inhabit the shallows. Gobies a more recent addition to the food chain are very similar in appearance so in the earlier years mentioned they may have been probably one of the two varieties of sculpin available I would imagine. In the summer months alewives would naturally become the prime target for most if not all species of adult salmon and trout out in the depths. Not many fishermen fish the winter months in boats for a lot of understandable reasons but the same applies to deep water fishing for lakers at least on the Fingers as the smelt are virtually gone in most places. What I was referencing in my previous post is that at least there is some break in the chowing of alewives with respect to the lakers whereas with the salmon it is virtually constant. Although I have often found multiple alewives in the stomach contents of lakers but I've frequently seen multiple baitfish in the mouths of salmon and browns and in one case 9 sawbellies in the mouth and throat while it still inhaled my spoon suggesting they have very voracious appetites and may be more efficient feeders of alewives. Lakers are often bottom feeders and therefore come into contact with other baitfish species and sources of food while the pelagics are pretty much roamers and feed in the stratified water nearly exclusively where the alewives are most prominent; especially during the warmer months. I guess that is what I was basing that opinion on. I do have a better familiarity with the Finger Lakes dynamics than Lake O with respect to this issue though and that may be more significant than I took into account too.






