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&-17-16 Out of Hughes- Sure looks like a bait problem.....
LongLine replied to Sk8man's topic in Open Lake Discussion
Jerry - The DEC/USGS guys do a great job - don't get me wrong. The issue is that their trawl strategy is based upon the assumption that alewives are randomly distributed around the lake. This assumption is not necessarily valid. Those 120 trawls only have a 10 minute duration and they are basically N-S. If they were randomly distributed then when a fisherman sees a pod then he wouldn't come back thru that general area time and again, You wouldn't hear guys talking about, or having the "clean screen" syndrome. If they were randomly distributed then on every trawl the DEC/USGS would haul in their net with pretty close to the same number of alewives...each time. Interestingly, they never publish those numbers of quantity or location. They can tell us with pretty good certainty the mix and the condition of what they catch but they can't tell us with the same certainty the quantity out there. Hence they publish "relative indices." Also note: they changed the way they trawl a few years back as they changed the type of net/gear. Remember the "fouling" problem? Tom B. (LongLine) -
Can't beat the "auto-bungee"! Tom B. (LongLine)
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&-17-16 Out of Hughes- Sure looks like a bait problem.....
LongLine replied to Sk8man's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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Absolutely!
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Trolling in the Genesee River
LongLine replied to chappy_j3's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Tie a rope between your two rear cleats. Replace metal handle with a very short rope. Thread cleat rope thru new rope handle & it'll stay centered behind motor. -
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Absolutely right B.D. Fish can see a lot more than humans give them credit for. Tom B. (LongLine)
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Streakers usually meal fish looking at your weight so shorten them up. Rick's advice is solid - definitely mup rig! Tom B. (LongLine)
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ditto Tim & Chris. Tom B. (LongLine)
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Trolling in the Genesee River
LongLine replied to chappy_j3's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
An old timer (older than me) once told that if I wanted to go super slow just tip your motor up to the highest position and troll backwards. -
Fish have a different number of cones in their eyes. They can see in ultraviolet which humans can't.
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How to stop boat from listing due to kicker motor
LongLine replied to fishmaster13184's topic in This Old Boat
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Boy, this would come in handy for “combat†fishing. Need an awful long handled net though. (El Galeon – Brazilian replica of a Spanish galleon. 8 cannons per side. – Beautiful replica of fascinating history. Here till the 28th) Anyway, launched early & took a left again. River up to 72.5 F. Bright sky, lake flat with a variable ripple. Headed out to 110, put in and worked out to 210 and back in. 2 lakers maybe 5 Lbs (lost ….err…let go …at boat) over 120, 1 steelhead, (7 Lbs) at 150 and 1 King (9 Lbs) at 170. All 80 ft down with short lead. Spook did the trick today. Trolling fast. Pulled out at 10 due to fest. Maybe 14 trailers in the lot. Beautiful day to get cooked out there. Luck to all, Tom B. (LongLine)
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I bay 6/18
LongLine replied to mikebarb86's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Thinking about it, I agree with momay. They have to be parallel from front of weight to back of weight. It shouldn't matter if the top of the hook is bent to the left or right of the bottom of the hook.
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Never attach to the back of the weight. Just the line/lure pull is enough to deflect it especially on a turn. If you want to prove that the line supplies pull, just let some line out (without snap or lure) and watch your rod tip bend.
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You're not attaching release/line to that back loop are you?
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No one is arguing statistical math. No doubt their arithmetic is correct. The argument is that they take Northward 10 minute trawls with a net that is not all that wide. At 3 mph, that's only about 1/2 mile and off Rochester will definitely not cover 30 to 400 FOW. My argument is that I troll basically a N-S zig zag with an E-W spread of about 1 to 1 1/2 miles with a typical Saturday troll total of 17-20 miles. Last year I saw very few pods while major numbers were reported off Niagara. This year I've never seen so many pods. My conclusion is that they are not randomly distributed around the lake.
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The problem with the current trawling methodology is that they assume a random distribution not only in the water column but laterally as well. I realize they have the hydra-acoustical but, really, how far out does that scan from the trawler? Bait is usually in a tight pod and you may have to go 1/4 mile to see another pod. This year I've seen "mountains" of them. I'd like to see/hear the reasoning/math behind the random distribution theory. Tom B. (LongLine)
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Spent lots of money on research not a whole lot on preventing them. NY tried to get tough on entering ships but got "blown out of the water" by the Feds & lobby groups.
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Got 2 on Saturday but they were deep.
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Sodus 6/4 - kids trip!
LongLine replied to ryonybony's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)







