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Downrigger balls in all forms rarely spin but move in a "watch-wind" motion. Given there are two metals in the cable twisting back and forth over time, their dissimilar properties are probably changing at different rates over time. Just a guess.

Too difficult to tell with leadcore. It won't be deeper by much...really a non-factor IMO.

Thanks everyone .....for the enlightenment.

Steve, I remember the process at the Pro/Ams. Different people in office, maybe we resubmit the findings? Cuomo is giving away Billions in incentives for businesses in NY (supposedly). Seems to me he ought to be interested in the well-being of the sport.

If these meetings don't have a state representative then nothing will ever get done. A DEC employee will not want to complain, stomp their foot, or fight too hard for a good cause if their job is placed in jeopardy by doing so. I probably would be no different. I would want to protect my job to protect my family and my pension. We need to be speaking directly with state officials......esp. economic development people.

Thanks Brian. So help me to understand what these meetings look like and what parties are represented. The Federation's reps, the DEC, and ..... Is there anyone from the state at these meetings or are we only talking to the DEC?

Is there an advisory board for the DEC? In Canada they have a council made up of stakeholders who speak to the OMNR. I think we need representation between the state and DEC.

Exactly! This is something the DEC can be held accountable. In years where there are plenty of returns, the biggest and brightest should be selected. This speaks to laziness more than anything. Once the three and four year old spawning genetics are gone........their gone for good.

The lower river looks mint for all you drifters. http://www.webcamgalore.com/EN/webcam/USA/Youngstown-New-York/18879.html

These are nice look at with all the pretty colors. http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/greatlakes/lakeontario_cdrom/images/a1_lg.jpg

Create a waiver.

Why don't the DEC just ask for help? Among all the stakeholders on Lake Ontario there are many business owners with hard assets (equipment) to get work done. There aren't people around to replace a roof on the hatchery??? ASK FOR HELP!!!!! It drives me crazy to think a roof has been leaking at the hatchery for 30 years and nobody has done anything. I am sure there are members on LOU that have bulldozers, drilling equipment, and the will do the volunteer work necessary. We could have a tournament to reimburse fuel costs for equipment used by volunteers. Think outside the box!

I thought a lack of power supplied to the riggers might be an issue. I was told it was most likely not an amperage issue. I have two batteries hooked up to a perko battery switch with the switch on "both" so plenty of juice.

Thanks for the link.

That is how my problems started. A couple of blow fuses (correct size), then freezing. Sometimes the ball would go down.....some times it would not. Sometimes it came up....sometimes it didn't. Lots of fun hand rolling the rigger spool when there is a 15 lb weight 100' down there and rigger dies. To be honest I never contacted Cannon directly as I do not have the time to sit on hold and deal with the issue during business hours. I believe there is only a three month warranty on the units. I wish they had odometers on them as this might help prove how little they were used. The overhaul from manual to electric was performed during the offseason so by the time the riggers are actually used come spring they are already out of warranty. Again, these were NEW everything except the bases, and booms. One of the spools I ugraded to a stainless model so even one of those was new.

I really didn't want to get into a pissing match about this and to be honest I was undecided about posting it in the first place. I wanted to leave Screwy Louies out of it as they perform the service and don't make the product. My beef is with Cannon. In speaking to Brennan at Screwie Louies he wanted me to explain the problem is not with Cannon motors, but the mother boards on Mag 10 units hauling up 15 lb rigger balls.

Rick, are you replacing your riggers every year like a lot of captains? I know nothing about the difference in the motors between the Mag 10's and the STX. These were aluminum base Unitrols that I converted to electric with new Mag 10 motors. Repairs were done at Screwie Louies.