Sk8man

That's right. If you have to go with lead core it is possible to go deeper with it by using in line weights but you would need quite a bit to make a really significant difference. The most I've ever used with it is 8 ounces and that made it drag tremendously. The weight will make a little better difference with the 18 lb core than the 27 and especially the 45 (which few people use anymore) because of less line resistance. Another thing to consider is that there are very strong currents out there right now for whatever reason and this will negate much of the sinking ability of leadcore. The blow back on the downriggers the day before yesterday was considerable from the current so lighter weight will be struggling to go deeper. The kings are probably much too deep for leadcore right now but as already mentioned steelies might be possible if you can get down to them.

No matter what chart you would consult lately it would be way off because of the strong and crazy currents out there.

Way to go fellas! no shortage of food in the lake from the looks of it

Moral of the story: When ya get something that works real well you buy a dozen or two at a time

It isn't the speed per se but the action of the fly whipping back and forth horizontally and at slower speeds it's easier to catch....take a look at some of the videos it is pretty evident whats going on....

Very nice fish. Good going....persistence paid off

Those speeds are a good starting point but experiment and see what seems to hit. If you look at some of the underwater video footage that has been shown here with fish chasing after the flasher/fly combo it appeared that many of the fish following had a hard time "catching" the fly even after trying several times to get it....it suggests to me that perhaps the fast action attracts the fish to chase but if it alternates with slower speeds it may give the following fish a better chance to "capture" his prey.

I don't know a simple answer to your question in terms of degrees. Maybe someone here has seen charts for the wire (if it exists) which could be used to make the comparison with mono...but I've never seen one. //Some things that would factor in if they were to be compared in real life conditions would be: the diameter of the wire and mono, boat speed, water currents, wind speed etc. and even water temp which could have impact on the comparison (especially since mono stretches differing amounts).

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I guess a few questions might be in order: 1. Where are you fishing? 2. What are you trying to catch? 3. What lb test core and what type leader and length did you use? 4. Are you taking about the use of it right now in August? General comment: leadcore is usually primarily used in the Spring and Fall especially when the fleas aren't present or active in the water column and it usually isn't the choice for deep water fishing (although possible using weights).

Way to go Ed! I think I'll be fishing down that way next time....Canandaigua has become a little too empty these days.

The extremely strong currents out there lately raise H with the thermocline and water column temps and combines with wind changes and the result looks like a "roller coaster" in terms of the temp profile

I forgot to add: "Young fishermen should not try this technique at home without adult supervision. It should be left to professionals like Bob who have practiced it many times daily.

In the spirit of the latest "How To" videos posted by some of our guys... I thought the forum might be interested in today's experience at Sodus on Lake O. and hope that you may glean useful "how not to" information from it......here is my buddy and fishing guru Adm Byrd demonstrating for you what we experienced more than once today: Pic' # 1 the WTF moment: Pic #2 The moment of elation coming from identifying the problem: The second WTF moment:

:smile: Ed

Well, I'm convinced that the lake is dead RIP.....I went out at 615 AM and trolled until 11:30 AM - caught 2 small rainbows both on downriggers at 50 ft over 110 or so. Also had 2 hits one on Spin Doc wire rig and one on downrigger... both were gone before could leave my seat. I decided to test out an Idea I've had for awhile to get my wire rig away from the boat (back especially and to the side as well). I used a home made release that I used to use years ago for stackers to attach it to the 30 lb 7 strand with a yellow balloon at the other end of the release . in a way that wouldn't damage or kink the line. Unfortunately I didn't get anything on the rig to fully test it out but it worked very well to get the wire out of the way of my downriggers etc. Here' what it looked like: After that I figured I'd do it up big time so here is what that looked like: