had to go back and reed the original post,i guess for rigger reels you could get away without line counters,not setting them back to far,i guess you could count,i like to know exactly what the set back is for repetion,i have never been on a boat that doesnt have them,but to each his own. and high speed would be good for rigger reels,i didnt like them for pulling in dipsies,i could have tried them for the riggers,but i hated the location of the linecounter.