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I'm replacing my aging Invader and elec. Big Jon that I have to hand crank. It's either gonna be Cannon Mag 5 ST or Scotty 1101. Comments please...?

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Its like the old argument. ..ford gm or chrysler. To each his own. I have canon mag10's and they have never failed me. I'm sure they are both just as reliable as the other.

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one other thing to consider is your rigger weight,make sure the rigger you buy is going to handle the weight you are looking to use.

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I have cannon mag stx 10 bought in 2012. They are terrible (very poor quality). I have mag 5s that are about10 years old that are great. Cannon sometime in between started making them in China... The quality reflects this. Take it from someone who runs all Cannons... Get Scotties.

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I've had Scotty's for years now and never had a problem. When & if I ever have to replace them it would definitely be Scottys. 

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I have cannon mag stx 10 bought in 2012. They are terrible (very poor quality). I have mag 5s that are about10 years old that are great. Cannon sometime in between started making them in China... The quality reflects this. Take it from someone who runs all Cannons... Get Scotties.

 

Good luck with whatever you buy, but I had to correct the above post. They are NOT made in China. They are made in Minnesota. 

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Just upgraded my cannon uni trolls to cannon mag 5s. Check out Black Bear sporting goods they had the best price on downriggers. Cannon forever! Run Deep!!

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Good luck with whatever you buy, but I had to correct the above post. They are NOT made in China. They are made in Minnesota.

Hi, I see from your website that you run them too. My bad regarding place of manufacture (assembly?) but I do stand by my assessment of quality. For an example, my older riggers have solid plastic pulleys at the rigger rod ends the new ones are hollow plastic pulley wheels. This, combined with the excessively fast retrieval rate means the wire jumps out of the groove of the pulley when the ball gets to surface and jams up... A pain to rectify continuously.. Also damaging the rigger cable. There are other issues as well (hand bolt to tie rigger to plate is prone to cross threadinding, the threading on the boom extensions is plastic... Poor quality... Prone to cross threading). Manufacture often means assembly... I often wonder how much content of foreign components curtails the Made in America branding. They certainly don't make them like they used to.

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Hi, I see from your website that you run them too. My bad regarding place of manufacture (assembly?) but I do stand by my assessment of quality. For an example, my older riggers have solid plastic pulleys at the rigger rod ends the new ones are hollow plastic pulley wheels. This, combined with the excessively fast retrieval rate means the wire jumps out of the groove of the pulley when the ball gets to surface and jams up... A pain to rectify continuously.. Also damaging the rigger cable. There are other issues as well (hand bolt to tie rigger to plate is prone to cross threadinding, the threading on the boom extensions is plastic... Poor quality... Prone to cross threading). Manufacture often means assembly... I often wonder how much content of foreign components curtails the Made in America branding. They certainly don't make them like they used to.

 

As Vinny stated you probably have the bad pulleys. Call them up and they will ship out the new ones that have been on the new riggers for 2 or 3 seasons now. They are a HUGE improvement, and will help with your cable jumping off. It's not even possible with the new pulleys. 

 

You mentioned a lot of "prone to" but have any of those parts failed you?

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I called them the other day and had new pulleys at the house that week....love the speed and they have been bullet proof.

 

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As Vinny stated you probably have the bad pulleys. Call them up and they will ship out the new ones that have been on the new riggers for 2 or 3 seasons now. They are a HUGE improvement, and will help with your cable jumping off. It's not even possible with the new pulleys. 

 

You mentioned a lot of "prone to" but have any of those parts failed you?

Yes I have cross threaded the rigger to base plate screw/bolt... First time I used it (not a good first experience). Judging by the play in them I doubt I'm the first. I had to take it back to the dealer where I bought them - they were very good to provide service. I'm very mindful of this now and take great care to avoid repeating this issue. The fact that I've had this problem and that the boom extensions are plastic threads that bind when you tighten them makes me very careful with them too. I'm not sure why you might think I would post something like this without basis, especially when I bought the riggers after owning the two older Mag 5's which have been fabulous. I have nothing to gain or lose by posting my opinion and normally I'm a very proud owner of quality products. For an example if someone would've asked for comments on larger outboards they would've gotten nothing but praise for my 2010 200hp Evinrude Etec. But that's just not the case for my Canon STX's, sorry. I do appreciate the heads up on the pulley fix though. Thank you for this and thank you to LOU Fishing for the opportunity to make this discovery.

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I modified my Lake Troll from manual to electric at a cost of about 60.00.  Did it once before in the late eighties after only one time of cranking that old canon up 140' . This time I left the hand crank on (other side) and designed quick motor drive dis-engagement contraption lol, in case I run out of battery power. Both worked great and I save 400-500.00 .


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