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Sk8man

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  1. Brand new alkaline batteries in the probe? Is there a loose wire to the batteries?Battery compartment cover screwed down tight? placement of transducer away from anything that has a frequency within range of 70khz?
  2. Silver Hoarde with the red mouth one close to the ball about 8 ft and the other about 15 ft back. Can also be run off shorter coppers (200-300's) or leadcore down the chute or even toplined in shallower water, but sometimes they can be too much to handle right on inline planers
  3. If you use either the shark type or torpedo weights you can usually get away with 10 lb weights if your speed isn't real fast. The current was pretty bad out there yesterday with a down speed reaching 3.3 sometimes while surface speed 1.9 or 2.0 but you can often adjust things by trolling diagonally and reducing your surface speed.
  4. It is unfortunate that this thread has taken such a "polarized" path when the actual reality of the situation is that someone has lost their life and a family has been devastated by that fact. Whether the perceived attitude of the involved fishermen was one of overconfidence, "arrogance", or perceived "stupidity"by others is irrelevant at this point. The public information on this incident seems scant thus far so the potential learning benefit is unknown and that is what should be focused on...whether we can learn something specific from the situation that might enable others to avoid a similar fate other than "Don't go out there in rough water". That is what should be sought after here rather than making assumptions and casting blame regardless of one's perception of the situation in the absence of valid concrete information. The basic fact remains that anyone can get into trouble out there including charter captains - and "Mother Nature hath no fury as a woman scorned" and Lake Ontario is no exception- no matter what sized boat,or the experience of the operator; she is unforgiving of mistakes.
  5. Yes and at least it wasn't within the first 4 hrs of the Trout Derby (taking you out of the entire 3 day derby) and 45 mph winds come up and both engines won't do the trick and you need to be towed 16 miles back to the launch against the wind by your fishing buddy who busts your bls for years to come and labels himself as your "savior" and puts that label on his cooler on the back of his boat
  6. I'd finish the full break-in process before trolling for any length of time. The computer on it will track/record everything so the break-in data could become important (e.g. warranty etc.)
  7. The Chamberlains are the way to go for walleyes because of the light bite type setting but the max tension on them I believe is 4 lbs which for running large attractors and active lures behind riggers down deep for salmon can be too light. If the Blacks are set properly for what you are running they aren't usually a problem for either species
  8. The one pictured above is one of the OLD Blacks release. Back then they were attached directly to the cable itself. They also had an outrigger version that had a heavy metal rod through it with rings on each end of the rod that I put a large heavy duty swivel on and then soldered the split ring shut and I used it when I fished on other folks boats (with their permission) to hook on to their existing snap....guess I was a bit ahead of my time because they then later came out with the one with the integrated snap so that you didn't have to cut your downrigger wire to install it In the pic below on the left is the Oldest version of the Blacks that was actually white in color, then the version shown in my earlier post, then the outrigger version I modified back in the eighties, and finally on the right is the recent version.
  9. I prefer the old school method including a safety line for my probe. The old Blacks didn't haave the rod through it. You hooked it directly to the cable above the weight. What is pictured here is the old version Blacks which I still use and a second 90lb test wire with heavy duty snap.I attach both snaps to my probe so that if the probe cable or the downrigger cable terminating at the bottom of the main snap gives I still have the 90 lb wire and snap on the probe which is attached to the Blacks release. It hasn't been tested but I figure it is better than nothing although deppendent of the integrity of the crimp on the Blacks as I have seen the other usual hookups fail on friends boats.
  10. Hard to keep a good man down
  11. Most of these newer engines are great, but they also have some very sophisticated electronics and not everyone will be capable of working on them if there is something of concern. Depending on where you live I'd try to get one with a dealer as close to home as possible who can work on it if need be, and be in compliance with warranty requirements. Initially buying a motor just to save a few bucks may end up costing a lot more in the end, and having to travel large distances to get servicing isn't great or cheap either
  12. Great bargain right there.
  13. If you watch some of the underwater videos of salmon trying to catch up with spoons - let alone an attractor/fly it becomes evident that although they are fast powerful swimmers they often have trouble actually grabbing the objects and sometimes they even may grab the wrong one, and sideways movement seems sometimes a problem for them. The wave action on the surface can also be a factor bouncing the setup up and down while it is going sideways or revolving. The fish may be following the setup for quite aways trying to nail it and/or they may just be checking it out because it or something about it doesn't look quite right to them. The situation is a good reason for always messing with your speed slowing down, increasing briefly, putting in neutral, occasionally giving the gas a jump, making turns so the inside setup(s) slows while the outside speeds up. The change itself may be the trigger that is necessary to make them grab the bait because it imparts a different action to the bait and where the following may have been curiosity the change in action generates an impulse to strike so it relates to a different behavior origin. Popping the rigger and letting it flutter as ifishy suggested may be doing the same thing and it often does work. The distance of the setup from the rigger weight may influence this as well as if placed close to the weight it may be seen as a unit vs. when the weight is followed at some longer distance by the setup it may either spook the fish initially attracted by the weight and its movement through the water from striking at the bait, or it may just lose their interest or curiosity and move away before the bait arrives. The deeper the setup is run it can pay to shorten the distance to the weight. The last time out one of them hit the rigger at 115 ft down and the flasher fly was running 3-4 ft behind the weight the other rigger with same stuff set much further back never saw action. Just some observations to think about not necessarily a rock solid answer to the situation
  14. I added some to my earlier post as I thought about it.
  15. I'm mainly a Diawa guy but I also have some Okuma tackle including a few of these rods and for the money thay are a pretty good bargain.
  16. Tackle Shop Brewer's Sporting Goods right on Main Street in Ovid (south of Sampson on 96A. Pam Brewer is great lady and has a lot of relevant tackle for a small shop. Sells bait as well. Worth a visit Wineries south of there (e.g. Wagner Vineyards right south on Rt#414). If Pam has any Great Lakes lures left get some Oakie Dokies for lakers and some 44's for the silvers. Also, if she has hammerhead cowbells and Gambler rigs they are the way to go regardless of which lake you fish. If you are in the mood to drive a bit while exploring wineries, or take the boat when out there Roy's Marina to the northwest of Sampson near the north end of the lake has the cowbells and Gambler rigs. There are outstanding wineries on the west side of the lake...my favorite is Fox Run and they have a cafe there as well.
  17. They work fine.
  18. My rig goes to the manual carwash after every outing....since 2002
  19. You do look very familiar in the photos. I had a 13 ft Whaler with a dodger on the front of it....I was one of the smallest boats out there at the time so I didn't dock it or buoy it there at Clarks Luckily I had 250 ft of anchor rope too and I used my Riveria downriggers with the 4 ft booms to hang my coleman lanterns on for night fishing. Back then Miriam Clark was one of the best mechanics around and one of the very few females doing it too. I think we may have talked out on the dock there back then. I still remember Oravec always wore his Greek fishing cap too. ....the good old days.
  20. Hankliness is next to Godliness
  21. This is a great thread because it gives us a chance to look at both sides of the equation from different perspectives, and it will perhaps lead to some further consideration on both sides - as well in achieving a satisfactory experience for all concerned. As spoonfed-1 said "communication is the key". It entails some prior thinking about objectives, consideration by each party, and maybe not just making assumptions by either. The issue can also turn up in situations like customers asking the captain or mate detailed or irrelevant questions on the spur of the moment while they are rigging and in dense boat traffic; instead of thinking about them and waiting for a good time from the captains standpoint... again.....mutual consideration and thoughtful communication goes a long way toward ensuring a satisfying experience. There is a difference also in the mutual expectations regarding an "instructional" charter and one for purely initial experiential value so it should be talked about in advance.
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