Latest anti-outdoor decisions from Washington

[SmilinEd1]

24 minutes ago, GAMBLER said:

Yawn.........I love how fishing topics are turning into political jabs back and forth.  Cut the BS and talk fishing.  There is already enough division in this country.  Let's not divide this place too.  I come here to read and talk fishing........ 

Well if someone was to talk sh*t about you I'm sure you would have some here defending you.

If you're going to the public square and talk Sh*t get ready to back it up.

Like ppl supporting the mutilation of children in this country, Back it up.

Sorry your girls lost..!!

Back to our regular scheduled program 

[LongLine]

 

Both the House and Senate have bipartisan Great Lakes Task Forces. The NY members are Kennedy, Langworthy, Mannion, Morelli, Tenney, Gillibrand and Schumer. The email address follows the format: "morelli.house. gov".

The following is my letter to Morelli.  Feel free to copy/paste and send to your representative.

 

Dear Congressman,

 

I am writing to voice my concern and opposition any proposed cuts to the USGS Scientific Center budget.

 

 The USGS studies plants, animals, bacteria and the interactions with humans and the landscape.  They actively support effective management of species, lands and ecosystems and mitigating costly impacts of invasive species, pollution and wildlife diseases which impact every state. They also have outreach/education programs for the public.

 

Tunison National Lab (Cortland NY) and Hammond Bay (Michigan) have been instrumental in our area by supporting the health of the Great lakes and Lake Ontario via research and monitoring of the water and fisheries. They have worked to identify Zebra Mussels, Sea Lampreys and Bird-flu as well as mitigate their harmful affects to our ecosystem.  They have also developed control measures to keep the Asian carp out of the Great Lakes. Over 180 invasive species have been identified in Lake Ontario alone! 

 

USGS has been the "top of the list" resource for agencies of all the states to maintain healthy wildlife. In our fishery, they actively support the restoration of native species such as the Cisco, Bloater, Lake Trout and Salmon which at one time had abundant populations in Lake Ontario.  Successful restoration and protection requires constant monitoring of the environment so that future generations can enjoy the great outdoors.

 

It is far better to have a dedicated body of experienced scientists proactively committed and "at the ready" to solve environmental issues than have states seek out the lowest bidder of educational institutions that would have to start from scratch well after environment catastrophes strike.

 

I urge you to vote against and convince your colleagues in congress to defeat any budget cuts to the USGS Science Center.

 

Thank you
 

EDIT:  Sometimes that email format won't go thru.  So just google their name and on their site will be a form to copy/paste the letter in.  (also misspelled morelle. (e not i at end of name)

Edited April 22, 2025 by LongLine

[Gator]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:38 PM, SmilinEd1 said:

Well if someone was to talk sh*t about you I'm sure you would have some here defending you.

If you're going to the public square and talk Sh*t get ready to back it up.

Like ppl supporting the mutilation of children in this country, Back it up.

Sorry your girls lost..!!

Back to our regular scheduled program 

 

Yeah, Brian, sorry your girls lost lol!!!

 

Does this qualify as $hit talking? I just couldn't help myself...now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

[fisherdude]

How about locking down the Democrats girls from posting Trump hate. Back to your regular scheduled fishing program. Lol !!!!!

[seeyawader]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:37 PM, HB2 said:

I have been saying for years politics affects your fishing and what ame are seeing now is a case in point.  

 

Not saying that all this research , etc is  not worthwhile ( although 15 scientists from 6 agencies came to the scientific conclusion that no lamprey abaitment lead to more Lamprey makes me suspect ) 

 

But when does the point come when you just can't afford some of this anymore ? 

 

And for what it's worth , I feel the adults are finally in the room . And they are saying sorry kids , we can't afford all of this stuff we gav been giving you and buying on credit cards or we will lose our home . 

Well said HB2, we finally have someone in office that cares about the future of the country, even if it hurts a little,,,and the best sidekick on the planet,,,waiting for the deficit needle to turn downward, hope they can do it! For our kids future.

 

[Lotalota]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:37 PM, HB2 said:

I have been saying for years politics affects your fishing and what ame are seeing now is a case in point.  

 

Not saying that all this research , etc is  not worthwhile ( although 15 scientists from 6 agencies came to the scientific conclusion that no lamprey abaitment lead to more Lamprey makes me suspect ) 

 

But when does the point come when you just can't afford some of this anymore ? 

 

And for what it's worth , I feel the adults are finally in the room . And they are saying sorry kids , we can't afford all of this stuff we gav been giving you and buying on credit cards or we will lose our home . 

Scientists in agreement is a good thing. Are you referring to the fact 15 scientists collaborated on writing the recently published paper? That’s what makes the Great Lakes amazing; we have people and agencies working together across the basin, pooling data and resources to accomplish things that would be impossible for a single person or office to achieve alone. 

[Lotalota]

Please also remember, when it comes to our USGS folks working on Lake Ontario, they are the reason we have a lake wide alewife survey that now includes Canada. They do 1/3 of the actual sampling, but lead the age interpretations, data analysis, and report writing. They (Brian) read every post here, answer your questions when other offices won’t, and have strived to push the science forward every day. Losing the equipment, expertise, and people of USGS will be an absolute tragedy. 

Edited April 25, 2025 by Lotalota

[Gator]

On 4/22/2025 at 12:35 PM, fisherdude said:

Harvard gets 900 million dollars they put  lawsuit against the government for being taking away 900 million that teaches anti-American and Jewish hate you might only make $22,000 but it's beyond me how you can afford multi boats and vehicles and expensive house gravy train I don't blame Trump for cutting funding when are we going to zero out the deficit and then you can have your gravy train back most people I know work two jobs at 15 bucks an hour just to make ends meet they don't have multi boats and vehicles and expensive houses

Most people I know don't work two jobs at 15 dollars an hour, since that's below minimum wage, but okay. 

 

And we inherited some money when my wife's father died. Thank you for noticing.

 

Please don't make assumptions, and leave off with the personal stuff. This is a discussion on outdoor relevant decisions - and nobody is getting rich working fisheries. That's my point. Nuff said.

[GAMBLER]

9 hours ago, Lotalota said:

Please also remember, when it comes to our USGS folks working on Lake Ontario, they are the reason we have a lake wide alewife survey that now includes Canada. They do 1/3 of the actual sampling, but lead the age interpretations, data analysis, and report writing. They (Brian) read every post here, answer your questions when other offices won’t, and have strived pushed the science forward every day. Losing the equipment, expertise, and people of USGS will be an absolute tragedy. 

The USGS guys and gals (especially Brian) are great people and do great work.  Without them, this fishery will be a mess.  It is important to write politicians to put pressure to keep the USGS programs.  

[fisherdude]

The Bill Clinton days this country had a surplus of money we need to get back to that we got to drain the swamp it's going to hurt some people are going to have to get jobs in the private sector right now the only thing we need are the basics to survive as a nation.

[LongLine]

 

You can't change history. There was a recession and very high unemployment in 1982.  1979-1982 is when companies really began moving offshore with drastic cuts in US capital spending and layoffs.  Reluctantly, I had to assist training manufacturing people in Ireland in '79 and assist moving an operation to Mexico in '81. Clinton's monetary policy & gov't spending ('83-'01) pulled us out of that jam just as FRD's policy in '33 did. 

 

No business or government survives by intentionally cutting their dependable sources of income. The G-Lakes industry represents $5 billion.  Blindly cutting support of it is pure mismanagement.  It has nothing to do with efficiency.  It's downright stupid!  

 

Maybe you got a surplus of money, the rest of us don't.  The only thing left in the swamp will be the alligators who will turn on each other, just like they are beginning to do now.

[fisherdude]

Bill Clinton days I'm thinking 98 2000 I know we had two terms there. Those years the deficit was zero. If recreational fishing took a hit there's other Hobbies one can do. Fishing will be there next year and a hundred years from now will the country be there 100 years from now not if we don't straighten it out now sorry recreational fishing it is not a necessary.

Edited April 25, 2025 by fisherdude
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[HB2]

1 hour ago, LongLine said:

 

You can't change history. There was a recession and very high unemployment in 1982.  1979-1982 is when companies really began moving offshore with drastic cuts in US capital spending and layoffs.  Reluctantly, I had to assist training manufacturing people in Ireland in '79 and assist moving an operation to Mexico in '81. Clinton's monetary policy & gov't spending ('83-'01) pulled us out of that jam just as FRD's policy in '33 did. 

 

No business or government survives by intentionally cutting their dependable sources of income. The G-Lakes industry represents $5 billion.  Blindly cutting support of it is pure mismanagement.  It has nothing to do with efficiency.  It's downright stupid!  

 

Maybe you got a surplus of money, the rest of us don't.  The only thing left in the swamp will be the alligators who will turn on each other, just like they are beginning to do now.

 

All this means nothing   . 

 

The country is 36 trillion in debt. 6.5 million per minute in interest alone.Its everybody's  fault and it's nobody's fault but thats the situation we are in . We all overspent . Plain and simple . We've all seen the debt clock spinning out of control . Politicians stole from SS or retirement funds,  which are underfunded or cooked the books to look good and keep us happy . And we went along . 

 

Deep cuts need to be made . We all know this , sacrifice need to be made. Gov need to lean up and become efficient. Priorities need to be set . Some things , while important to some are really not high priorities. 

 

Some say , you can't cut this or you can't cut that . Well , yes you can and should.  Do less with more or hire people who can and fire those who can't.  

 

I really don't think some of you guys understand where  money comes from . We can't keep going to taxpayers for more . And we need to stop borrowing from China , etc to pay our bills . Before they own us . 

 

A lot of that Clinton stuff was projected not actual. 

 He also lowered the lending standards on mortgages and we had the housing bubble because of it . Took years to dig out from that . 

He also signed NAFTA , and that giant sucking sound was heard which is trying to be fixed now , with a lot of push back from some . 

Edited April 25, 2025 by HB2

[Gill-T]

Gutting the EPA will cost us all financially when companies pollute and declare bankruptcy when they can’t/don’t want to pay clean up costs. Right now in my parent’s state of North Carolina, big pig farms want the EPA regulations gone. They routinely have flooding that dumps 10’s of thousands of gallons of straight up pig crap into the local waterways killing everything. There is so much Arsenic in local waterways down there that nobody can eat the fish. There can be some trimming of the fat across the board but gutting agencies will kick the cost to taxpayers down the road. 

[LongLine]

 

 

2 hours ago, HB2 said:

Do less with more or hire people who can and fire those who can't.  

I knew everything you said was a joke.    "Do less with more"????  

 

2 hours ago, HB2 said:

He also lowered the lending standards on mortgages and we had the housing bubble because of it . Took years to dig out from that . 

Bush did that from 2003-2007.  Yes, it took Obama a few years to dig us out of it.

 

The debt?  I didn't hear complaints about his adding 8.2 trillion (With a T) to it in his 1st time at bat.  Nor his million-dollar photoshoots at Superbowl or NSCAR. Nor his 30 golf days, in 100 days, on the taxpayer's dime.  I haven't heard what the DOJ defense fund is for defending stupidity, nor anything more about his not paying taxes. Lord don't put the white house on an austerity budget! 

 

The little guy will always pay for it one way or another.  Whether one has to pay higher house insurance premiums because his FEMA no longer covers natural disasters such as major snowstorms; whether one has to pay higher state taxes because states now have to cover things once covered by Feds or whether the little guy has to pay more for basic necessities.  Whether one has to pay more taxes because he fired the people going after tax cheats.  Sell public land to oil companies then don't collect any taxes because they invested in development.  Don't close tax loopholes.  Don't prohibit "cost-reimbursements projects. I guess those don't matter to some people.  

 

Wholesale cuts to fishing...well there won't be that many on the bank or in boats emulating the administration.  I.E. whipping their flies and/or pulling their plugs. 

 

BTW: Feds set the interest rates!  Declare a national emergency and suspend/lower interest payments.  

 

 

[fisherdude]

Biden funded countries all around the world for Dei liberal agendas two countries that don't even exist for trillions of dollars where that money gohttps://x.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1886527423971516843

Edited April 26, 2025 by fisherdude

[HB2]

Again , 36 trillion in debt . It's everyone's fault like I have stated more than once . All the politicians were complicit in this , except 2 . Ron and Rand Paul who were sounding the  alarm on this for years , and here we are . 

 

Moonshine spoons were US made . 

 

Now they are made in China . They stamp the blank , paint it ,  tape it , package it , box it , put it in a truck and put it in a shipping container , put it in a freighter , ship it across the ocean to a US port , unload the container , put it in a truck , take it to a distribution center , then ship it to you or a store . With no or little tarrif. When we made them here and shipped them to China or other countries there were high tarrif to pay . And it's cheaper cro do that than pay American workers to do it . 

Something is wrong with that . 

 

Yeah ,do less with more , my bad . My wife like to correct my grammar when she's losing the argument . But the point is still the same . 

[fisherdude]

The Liberals just don't get it print money and spend that's all they know then stick their hand out for their share in every means colleges research labs you name it why do you think they  brung in 21 million unveted migrants. did you see in the news a liberal woman judge gets arrested for  hiding illegal immigrant from ice that was in front of her for domestic violence. I hope she gets debarred. you definitely have to live in your means in today's world you got to know how to do more with less don't go to restaurants don't spend your money save it eat beans and rice quit spending tons of money on groceries don't do home improvements it's not the time.  time to buckle down. If only someone could convince the Liberals.  quits printing money and spending it that we don't have . I dont never see it happening .   Liberals will not come in power anytime soon I see Trump wants 2028 I don't know if I'm into that I like the two terms for one president. 

Edited April 26, 2025 by fisherdude
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[Gator]

Fiscal responsibility is absolutely necessary, in government as in life. But just like I wouldn't burn my house down to save on the mortgage, a measured approach will lead to greater savings in the long run. We are not the first country to have this issue. There are examples of what works, and what doesn't. Always learning or never learning.

 

Regardless, everyone should fight for what they believe in. Unless you are willingly donating your salary to the government, then you believe that you deserve to see the labors of your effort. I want to see my efforts in the form of taxes go toward things that I believe in. And if I lose, then I lose. That's the way the system works. But I'm still going to fight the battle.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure this is a liberal-conservative thing. I'm conservative, but I'm still going to support our local fisheries research projects and personnel. I'm also going support a measured approach to fiscal prudence. I want some assurances that the juice will be worth the squeeze.

[fisherdude]

I pull my wallet out of my back pocket I open it up no money in the billfold got a couple credit cards one maxed out oh what the hell let's max out the other one bill shows up in the mail can't pay it off so I paid a minimum payment on two cards how do you get that paid off paying the minimum payment and it'll take years. I get it I understand funding fishing is important to a lot of people but it's not an accessory for the our government when we're broke I wish the Country Wasn't I spent tons of money on fishing I got hundreds of flies lures flashers weights the list goes on for miles I learned my lesson on having maxed out credit I worked hard to pay it off but I paid it off now the government needs to pay its credit off there's only one way to do that is to cut back

[HB2]

1 hour ago, Gator said:

Fiscal responsibility is absolutely necessary, in government as in life. But just like I wouldn't burn my house down to save on the mortgage, a measured approach will lead to greater savings in the long run. We are not the first country to have this issue. There are examples of what works, and what doesn't. Always learning or never learning.

 

Regardless, everyone should fight for what they believe in. Unless you are willingly donating your salary to the government, then you believe that you deserve to see the labors of your effort. I want to see my efforts in the form of taxes go toward things that I believe in. And if I lose, then I lose. That's the way the system works. But I'm still going to fight the battle.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure this is a liberal-conservative thing. I'm conservative, but I'm still going to support our local fisheries research projects and personnel. I'm also going support a measured approach to fiscal prudence. I want some assurances that the juice will be worth the squeeze.

If you are behind on your mortgage ,you can the cleaning lady , the lawn guy ,the pool guy , sell the boat, eat cheap  or eventually you will lose the house  and everything else . Like your stocking programs, etc . 

 

It seems to me the most educated and highly employed are the ones that fail to see the situation . Is that because their nice paychecks and retirements and benefits  are there every payday  without fail and don't realize that if things keep going the way they are , maybe they won't ? Do they know , especially Gov employees where all the money comes from ? Seems to me they don't . 

 

There are no guarantees or assurances in life . The older is I get the more I see that . 

[Gator]

My point is simply that we can choose where to cut back. 

 

If you oppose a thoughtful reduction in spending and don't want to argue for your priorities, then you put everything in the hands of the government to decide what gets cut and what doesn't. Do you trust them? Remember, the "other side" is going to be in power sooner or later. 

 

Fight for what you believe in. If you believe that fisheries science represents an appropriate place to save money, then so be it. I favor other mechanisms, but no need to bore anyone with details in this thread, which should remain focused on our fishery and decisions that impact it.

[GAMBLER]

58 minutes ago, HB2 said:

If you are behind on your mortgage ,you can the cleaning lady , the lawn guy ,the pool guy , sell the boat, eat cheap  or eventually you will lose the house  and everything else . Like your stocking programs, etc . 

 

It seems to me the most educated and highly employed are the ones that fail to see the situation . Is that because their nice paychecks and retirements and benefits  are there every payday  without fail and don't realize that if things keep going the way they are , maybe they won't ? Do they know , especially Gov employees where all the money comes from ? Seems to me they don't . 

 

There are no guarantees or assurances in life . The older is I get the more I see that . 

Sell the boat?  Are you nuts?  🤣

[fisherdude]

2 hours ago, Gator said:

My point is simply that we can choose where to cut back. 

 

If you oppose a thoughtful reduction in spending and don't want to argue for your priorities, then you put everything in the hands of the government to decide what gets cut and what doesn't. Do you trust them? Remember, the "other side" is going to be in power sooner or later. 

 

Fight for what you believe in. If you believe that fisheries science represents an appropriate place to save money, then so be it. I favor other mechanisms, but no need to bore anyone with details in this thread, which should remain focused on our fishery and decisions that impact it.

Who was it that said don't ask what the country can do for you ask what you can do for the country is that Kennedy he was a Democrat right

[HB2]

Kennedy, Clinton , would be Republican now.  They would never sign up for the dysfunction of the Dem party now . Just ask RFK, Rogan , and Elon, who was the sweetheart of the Dems till he said I've had enough. Now he's Hitler   .  AOC the now leader ? The squad ? Newsome? 

 

I'm for what's good for America, that's what I believe in  . Man , I love to fish . For pretty much anything . I live for it .  Some of the best fishing in the country is in my backyard . I'm willing to give up some of it for better times later .