Legacy

Most people believe that dominate bucks are territorial but its simply not true. Bucks will fight to achieve dominance but that doesnt nessasarily mean that a lesser buck will be pushed out of an area. He will just be lower on the ladder and he will prove "his" dominance over lesser bucks. Bucks establish a pecking order by sheer force my so by body size than by antler size. Your "shooter buck pics" on your other post, all seem to be at least 3 year olds. Most bucks dont achieve inside spread beyond the ears till they are in their third set of antlers. The last pic in that post with the split brow tines i would guess to be at least 4 years old because along with points he also has some mass. Dont forget, all these bucks still have about a month more to grow!

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1 1/2 year old bucks are actually programed to relocate to new home territory (many miles away) soon after they loose their velvet (september). Sometimes it takes an extra push from mom to let them know they are not welcome there anymore. Its the whitetails way of protecting against inbreeding and help with better genetic lines. Alot of 1 1/2 year old deer you get pics of youll never see once the season comes.

AM Fortunately my father in law and myself both had today off from work and decided to spend it derby fishing this morning. From the reports it sounded like everyone was working the inside water, fishing the bait and hooks, rather than temp. We set up just inside of 110 fow and found hooks and bait down 60-80' down. We quickly boated a steelhead and lost 3 others in a matter of 30 mins. Stinger glow gators and white double crush smartfish down 65-75' range attracted all the attention. We circled on our waypoints and boated a small king on a Stinger NBK 65' on a cheater off the riggers. On our third pass the 65' rigger fired, we were hooked into a major and he just about spooled us on his first run. We ended our morning boating 2 Kings, 2 Steelhead, 1 Laker, and dumping 4 others, working 100-140 fow. Officially 32#10oz in the Orleans County Derby. PM The family and I fished for about an hour tonight right at sunset. We fished 3 rigger rods 55', 65', and 77' down and managed 3 Kings with the biggest being 22#.

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Nice fish Scotty!

It doesnt matter if you use a swivel or not. I prefer to tie an overhand loop knot in my leaders just to make things quick and easy. It offers the advantages of being able to change out flies but with less hardware to worry about.

GillT, We didnt mark any bait out deep. Actually we had very few marks on the screen all day out there.

I had all the intensions in the world of running offshore first thing this morning but instead I stopped to take a look inside. In 85 fow we had bait clouds and big hooks so we set up and fished the warm water for an hour and never moved a rod. We quickly abandoned the inside water and started a north troll. On our way out we picked up a few fish but with nothing really showing on the screen, we continued north. 450-470 fow straight off the creek proved to be our best area of the day. The fish were 40- 80' down w/ 50-60' being the best target depth. Stinger glow gators on the 45', 50', and 60' on the riggers did most of the damage. 10 color leadcore pulling a red headed silver bullet and ten color leadcore pulling a purple NK nbk also took fish. The 350' copper pulling a white double crush Smartfish and an atommic ssw fly took an 11# Steelie and the 260' wire dipsey pulling a green double crush Smartfish pulling a lime green fly took a teenage king. We had a pretty consistant bite throughout the morning once we were in 330'+ and finished strong after a slow start. We ended up 14 for 17 with our catch dominated by Steelies topped with a few Kings and a 9# Brown.

Happy Bday!

Its tough to tell who has the bigger smile.

pretty cool, thanks for sharing

Trap Jaw, Spend some time reading the archives of LOU. THere alot of info here and im sure youll be able to pick up alot of things.

Nice fish Mick!

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registration is $20.00 dollars. There isnt a youth division but i dont know the minimum age requirement. i bet its similar to the LOC derby though.

nice brownie!

I would run flasher/ flies on both dipsey rods and start with spoons on both riggers with fixed cheaters on both rods. That setup will get you 6 baits with 4 rods in the water at once and give you the chance to cover alot of water. From there just adjust your setup as the fish tell you what the want.

Hey Carl, Last week I went up to Captains Cove and respooled all 4 of my dipsey rods with it. I will definetely let everyone know what I think once i get through the rest of the season with it but so far so good.

The DEC has believed for some time that there was "some" natural reproduction of king salmon in lake ontario after finding proof of it in the salmon river. After paying close attention to it they believe it much higher than anyone could believe but they still had no way to give accurate numbers on it. Like blrunner said all the king salmon stocked in lake ontario are now finned clipped. In time i think the DEC will be able to give us a better assessment of what the numbers really are and it will be something that we all look at when boating kings too.

Hey Tom I thought I was smiling?

Happy Birthday

Captain Jax joined me this morning and we enjoyed another good day out of Sandy Creek. Cold water has moved inside and is quite high in the water column so we set up 70 fow and trolled NW in search of some active fish. Our morning started when we doubled up in 114 fow on the 30' and 40' riggers, both loaded w/ Stinger glow gators. For the next few hours we had a steady pick of fish 30-75' down on the riggers w/ Stinger glow gators and NBKs (stinger and stingray). A green double crush Smartfish pulling a green glow fly took a lake trout for us but that was the only fish on a flasher/fly. Most of our action was between 100-137 fow west of the creek and trolling west into the current. We finished up the day 9 for 14 w/ a mixed bag including Kings, Steelhead, a Laker, and a Brownie.

good to see you back in action Bob!