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Morgan-E

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At a meeting last night, during a question and answer session, those in attendance became aware that the NY DEC, per Kathy Hochul, is not being allowed to interact in any way with federal agencies including the USGS.  This is important, because this is where the DEC gets data from the alewife trawls.  It gives them the age structure of the baitfish, health of the bait fish, biomass of the baitfish, and the predicted trajectory of the alewife structure in the coming year.  Without it they are flying blind.  If anyone has any contact with state legislators or can make contact with them, urge them to tell her to lift this ridiculous and petty ban for the good of the fishery and those who utilize and in some cases depend on it. 

With the lowest natural reproduction on record last year and low water starting the beginning of the natural reproduction calendar this year, they need as much information as possible to make sound management decisions and plans.

This is not a DEC decision so do not chew on any of the biologists or enforcement officers - this is a 100% political decision with total disregard for the health of the fishery and those who use it.

fisherdude

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This is all because New York State being a  Sanctuary state Kathy hoco will not work with the federal government cuz of the illegal immigrants and ice with deportations I recently asked Fleming that's running for Sheriff in Seneca County on the Democratic ticket I asked her how she feels with working with ice and turning Criminal illegal immigrants over to ice in a long word salad for an answer basically said her hands are tied cuz nys state regulations. 2 weeks as you know there is a election.  Here is a chance for a change long over due like 25 years .

LongLine

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Another case of someone missing a couple keywords.   "not being allowed to interact in any way with federal agencies on immigration activities."   NYS has a ban on 287(g) agreements which ONLY concerns immigration.  It has nothing to do with environmental or fishery concerns.  I.E. Environmental research, monitoring, environmental enforcement or restoration. 

 

For example, if a C.O.  catches someone fishing or hunting without a license, he can fine or even throw that SOB in jail but he can't call ICE to check on his citizenship or participate in any way with that guy's deportation.  

 

A good follow-up question to that presenter would have been: "Does that include the Preyfish Assessment?" or "lake Trout Restoration?" 

 

So what was the egg take?  Any indication of upcoming stocking numbers? Any word on Altmar improvements? or SR restoration project?

 

It sure would be nice if some would stop trying to turn every thread into political banter.

 

 

Morgan-E

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Yes it was clear that they could not interact with the USGS to acquire data related to the fishery. This includes the alewife data and anything else that the federal agencies bring to the management table. Everyone at the meeting heard it loud and clear. The meeting had nothing to do with Hochul declaring NY a sanctuary state. 

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fisherdude

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Witch candidate running for governor for New York State would be better for Lake Ontario fishing and would work with the federal government for your favorite Hobby or means of making a living on Lake Ontario.. 

GAMBLER

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20 hours ago, Morgan-E said:

At a meeting last night, during a question and answer session, those in attendance became aware that the NY DEC, per Kathy Hochul, is not being allowed to interact in any way with federal agencies including the USGS.  This is important, because this is where the DEC gets data from the alewife trawls.  It gives them the age structure of the baitfish, health of the bait fish, biomass of the baitfish, and the predicted trajectory of the alewife structure in the coming year.  Without it they are flying blind.  If anyone has any contact with state legislators or can make contact with them, urge them to tell her to lift this ridiculous and petty ban for the good of the fishery and those who utilize and in some cases depend on it. 

With the lowest natural reproduction on record last year and low water starting the beginning of the natural reproduction calendar this year, they need as much information as possible to make sound management decisions and plans.

This is not a DEC decision so do not chew on any of the biologists or enforcement officers - this is a 100% political decision with total disregard for the health of the fishery and those who use it.

Who did this info come from?  Was it directly from the DEC?  

Morgan-E

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It was from DEC personnel when they were asked about the alewife data.  Yes.

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GAMBLER

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13 hours ago, LongLine said:

Another case of someone missing a couple keywords.   "not being allowed to interact in any way with federal agencies on immigration activities."   NYS has a ban on 287(g) agreements which ONLY concerns immigration.  It has nothing to do with environmental or fishery concerns.  I.E. Environmental research, monitoring, environmental enforcement or restoration. 

 

For example, if a C.O.  catches someone fishing or hunting without a license, he can fine or even throw that SOB in jail but he can't call ICE to check on his citizenship or participate in any way with that guy's deportation.  

 

A good follow-up question to that presenter would have been: "Does that include the Preyfish Assessment?" or "lake Trout Restoration?" 

 

So what was the egg take?  Any indication of upcoming stocking numbers? Any word on Altmar improvements? or SR restoration project?

 

It sure would be nice if some would stop trying to turn every thread into political banter.

 

 

Looks like it came from DEC employees.  Why would they say that if it wasn’t true Tom….

LongLine

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2 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

Looks like it came from DEC employees.  Why would they say that if it wasn’t true Tom….

 

Brian - Because it sounds like a misunderstanding by "middle management" and someone being overly cautious.  The 287(g) ban went into effect at the beginning of Aug 2026 yet the state announced a new partnership with USGS middle of Sept 2026 concerning flood waters and stream gages.

 

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-launches-floodsafe-ny-build-more-resilient-communities


I'm not aware that USGS has any enforcement authority. 

GAMBLER

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1 hour ago, LongLine said:

 

Brian - Because it sounds like a misunderstanding by "middle management" and someone being overly cautious.  The 287(g) ban went into effect at the beginning of Aug 2026 yet the state announced a new partnership with USGS middle of Sept 2026 concerning flood waters and stream gages.

 

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-launches-floodsafe-ny-build-more-resilient-communities


I'm not aware that USGS has any enforcement authority. 

I know I know, she couldn't possibly be playing politics before an election.... She has always worked really cooperated with the Feds since Trump took office.....

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HB2

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We are the highest taxed State in the nation 

People with means , the ones who pay the bills , are leaving in droves.

Buisnesses are leaving . Property taxes are insane . How are people with fixed incomes sup to afford 12 k and more property tax ? When in North Carolina it's 1/10 of that . 

She told them to leave, they listened , and now she is literally begging them to come back . 

 

NYC has turned into Commie town . And she sent  them 8 billion $ to bail them out . 

 

Her adds say free lunch for school kids . There is no free lunch . Somebody pays . And that's us . Or if you don't pay, you pay with your pride and your soul .  

 

Trump might be a dick , but he is trying to get all the business that left under NAFTA back . And the rich might get richer . But at least the money will be back in this country . 

And money and power is what it's all about . 

 

 

HB2

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And to add to that we were way better served up here by Cuomo than the vindictive Hockle . 

The reason why she  doesn't want the illegals out is strictly for their vote . 

Ballet harvesting . Overwhelmingly in both parties , people want voter ID . But Dems refuse to pass it . Why ? Only one reason so I see it . The US is being colonized , and to stay in power , Dems play right into it . Enen  if it means the demise of the US . 

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fisherdude

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4 hours ago, HB2 said:

And to add to that we were way better served up here by Cuomo than the vindictive Hockle . 

The reason why she  doesn't want the illegals out is strictly for their vote . 

Ballet harvesting . Overwhelmingly in both parties , people want voter ID . But Dems refuse to pass it . Why ? Only one reason so I see it . The US is being colonized , and to stay in power , Dems play right into it . Enen  if it means the demise of the US . 

Now tell us how you really feel. 🤣 not going to change unfortunately ny voter for the most part are sheep. ask the lunch lady. 

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rolmops

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I suspect that this short before an important election, people get excited and cherry pick statements fitting their political ideas. 

The billionaires are not leaving NY for the reasons they claim, they don't pay taxes anyway because all their income is in tax shelters in places like the Cayman Islands or Malta. the billionaires tax is a political gimmick without teeth invented to stir up sentiment. 

It is true that we pay more taxes than people in North Carolina. It is also true that if you live in North Carolina and you want a normal education for your children the only choice you have is private education and even that is often sub par. At least here you get something back for your taxes. The minimum wage in North Carolina is $7.25 per hour. This forces lots of people to seek food stamps and medic aid  even if they work full time. So maybe North Carolina is not so preferable simply because the taxes are lower.

Our current Governor may not be perfect, but she represents a majority of the NY voters, like it or not.

For those who think that NY City  is "commie town" because it is run by a social democrat who was elected by the majority of its residents,. I suggest that you study what communism means in reality instead of what certain politicians want to make you think in order to scare you and then vote for them.

Just remember that there is way much more that unites us than what divides us ,in spite of all the political bs that some politicians spout out. They do not do this to serve you, but to take advantage of you.

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HB2

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Free grocery store 

Free health care 

Free child care 

Free public transportation 

Confiscation of private property 

Confiscation of private wealth 

 

Sure sounds like commie town to me.

 

This ain't chery picking , look up the definition of communism. I did . 

 

We are training people to look for handouts from gov to survive instead of being self sufficient .

 

Tom Gallisano , you know , the guy who has donated a ton of money to great causes , moved out of state because 12 million a year wasn't enough in state income taxes and they wanted more .Many other did also . 

Kathy told the rich to leave and they  did and she is literally , and I saw her with my own eyes , begging them to come back . 

 

Why wouldn't your Governor  cooperate with the Federal gov  on illegal or not illegal activity . Isn't being a sanctuary city harboring criminals which is illegal ? 

 

 

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fisherdude

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Absolutely correct...  that's why I call the people of New York State cities sheep here's your grain we got corn oats barley follow me Baaaaa....

Oh yeah ask the lunch lady. 

 

Just heard yesturday early voting results said 51% hoco 44 % Blake

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muskiedreams

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FYI The Truth Social (formerly Twitter) platform, in it's transition to the new name, is mostly untruth, poorly veiled as truth as well as cheep testosterone charged juvenile personal attacks. Many people are starting to realize that. The fearmongers can only hide behind the veil of lies they call truth for so long.

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whaler1

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Truth Social and Twitter (X) are completely different platforms. 
Blue Sky is the commie platform

Twitter (X) is a cesspool of both libs and MAGA and Truth Social is Trumps, hence all maga. 

fisherdude

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2 hours ago, muskiedreams said:

OK I forgot! Twitter is run by Musk, a spoiled rich adult with a hyperactive child mentality living in a fantasy.

Can you make a rocket go to space separate from the capsule and return on the padded it launch from standing straight up now the newest and greatest thing make a car fly I sure would love to try that he might be living in a fantasy world but he sure does make it come true I agree I think he's right up there with Einstein Democrats don't like him cuz he supports the Republican Party

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