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To the guy in the Black Starcraft in the area of Ithaca Yacht Club sporting an old style two stroke with a bimini top and oil tank on top of engine.....

 

Who refused to assist a boater broken down with four kids on board because you were “fishing” you sir are despicable.. and Karma is ****

 

Perhaps there is a reason you were fishing alone ... fortunately I found another Good Samaritan .. the Coast Guard Auxiliary is not a tow service and cannot always get clearance to tie up a resource to do it...

 

The rule is you don’t leave a boater stranded .... Unbelievable behavior ...it always comes around

 

 

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Yeah that’s nuts inexcusable


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Lewis next time just post on here for some assistance. I was out and could have towed you

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Lewis next time just post on here for some assistance. I was out and could have towed you

I appreciate that but it wasnt me I was out on patrol as uscg auxiliary...the boat was a small family boat that needed help...we cant always get authorization to tow and have to rely on passerbys or a marine assistance broadcast which I put out and no one answered...ultimately I found a good samaritan to help tow them while I escorted them back to myers and protected the tow...Im just hoping someone on the board knows the guy ... I am betting he is a local


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There is no reason ever to leave a fellow boater stranded.. I don't care if your going to be late to dinner , late to work or makes you loose a day of fishing . If some ones needs help on the water and you can help at all you do.. people like that make me sick. With my 18 foot boat and a 90 horse I pulled a 28 foot heavy boat over 8 miles to port. And no I would not take his money for gas and yes it made me miss fishing for the day. But you know what who cares all 5 people on that boat made it home safe. It is what you do.

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Here's my take...Any boater who denies a fellow boater assistance,especially with kids aboard is an ASSHO.

 

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Situation dependent. I towed a 24 ft boat who had no steering capability on lake Ontario ...didnt know the steering part until i was committed. I was an 18 ft boat. When i came to port that boat swung back and forth wildly at slow speed. It was all i could do to maintain control. I have many regrets from that scenario and im not even explaining the half of that 2 hour hair raising scenario. I came really close to putting my crew in harms way and plowing that boat into others. Im still willing to help but im going to grade the scenario. Ill respond to life emergencies but towing for a guy with an questionably maintained boat (my situation)....yeah im gonna think that one out. im also very able to call towboat US for people. Which is my plan for myself which i have already set up if i have issues. As captain of my boat im responsible for my boat and crew and others at my discression. That was the lesson that i learned. Consider that before tossing too many universal..."you must do" stones.

 

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This scenario happened on Cayuga Lake. Cayuga is a lake with no Towboat US available. Since we have extremely limited options there is a code of ethics where we help each other out whenever possible. I agree that some situations may occur that you can not assist. That is very rare on Cayuga. I lost several hours during a tournament towing in a fellow LOU member years ago. The repayment for that will be when someone rescues me someday down the road. 

 

(Does this look familiar Aaron/stoneam2006!)

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This scenario happened on Cayuga Lake. Cayuga is a lake with no Towboat US available. Since we have extremely limited options there is a code of ethics where we help each other out whenever possible. I agree that some situations may occur that you can not assist. That is very rare on Cayuga. I lost several hours during a tournament towing in a fellow LOU member years ago. The repayment for that will be when someone rescues me someday down the road. 
 
(Does this look familiar Aaron/stoneam2006!)
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Understand. Regardless. The choice is the at the captains discression.

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There was no discretion involved he simply refused and replied he’s busy fishing.... it was calm no wind ...


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This scenario happened on Cayuga Lake. Cayuga is a lake with no Towboat US available. Since we have extremely limited options there is a code of ethics where we help each other out whenever possible. I agree that some situations may occur that you can not assist. That is very rare on Cayuga. I lost several hours during a tournament towing in a fellow LOU member years ago. The repayment for that will be when someone rescues me someday down the road. 
 
(Does this look familiar Aaron/stoneam2006!)
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Something I've never forgotten! Haven't had the opportunity to pay it forward other than offering a jump pack at the dock a few times but I always have my VHF on!

That was the day my distributor blew up inside my motor...what a disaster that was.

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Oh man, yeah. Not cool. I was also out of myers and fishing by the yacht club yesterday morning early. I have a starcraft but its blue 😆. I usually have my radio on. I would have picked everything up in a heartbeat to tow them back in. The lake was like a bathtub yesterday without a ripple. Never leave another boater stranded. Even if it's not a tow, but you can assist with anything, you do it. 

 

A couple years ago I was fishing on the west shore of cayuga by the girl scout camp. I see a boat in the middle of the lake with smoke coming out of it. I immediately picked up my gear and ran over. There were two guys with the engine cover open on an inboard, with  smoke coming out. I asked of they needed help and offered my fire extinguisher. They said they thought they were ok. I stayed for a few mins and chatted until the smoke cleared. Ended up being some electrical issues or something. They got the motor running well enough to limp back to myers.

 

Even if it's not a tow, but you can assist, you do it. I would only hope someone would do the same for me of I ever had trouble. We've gotta all look out for each other

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Wow that was pretty crappy of that fisherman.  In my opinion you always should try to help out a fellow boater when they are having issues.  I agree with Fat Trout though, you should not put yourself or anyone on your boat in danger in order to help...Could end badly for everyone.  I would stay with that boat, and try to call someone else like the Coast Guard, Sheriff or Tow Boat if it wasn't safe for me to tow the disabled boat.  But to just pass on by is wrong.

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 I cannot fathom that level of selfishness and  incivility toward another boater. I am not a "good person", I am a  wicked sinner  thats done very little good for other people in this world , yet I have towed many stranded boaters in to port  over the decades and witnessed personally the look of despair turn to a smile of relief, and heartfelt gratitude.  Same as most here I am sure, I have almost always been offered money, but would never consider taking it.. Some day soon it might be me out there looking for the kindness of a stranger.

 

 Its the least we could do for a fellow boater in distress. It is SCARY being stranded... Never been towed in but needed to be, and as  others have experienced, have gotten no help, because guys were  too busy  "fishing"...

  I never go out without a  backup motor of some sort, and never will, because I have felt that sick hopeless feeling of being stranded on the water, with no help in sight...  I would not wish it on anyone, and like most forum members here, will do what I can to prevent it from happening, even at the risk of missing some "fishing"... bob

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2 hours ago, bulletbob said:

 I cannot fathom that level of selfishness and  incivility toward another boater. I am not a "good person", I am a  wicked sinner  thats done very little good for other people in this world , yet I have towed many stranded boaters in to port  over the decades and witnessed personally the look of despair turn to a smile of relief, and heartfelt gratitude.  Same as most here I am sure, I have almost always been offered money, but would never consider taking it.. Some day soon it might be me out there looking for the kindness of a stranger.

 

 Its the least we could do for a fellow boater in distress. It is SCARY being stranded... Never been towed in but needed to be, and as  others have experienced, have gotten no help, because guys were  too busy  "fishing"...

  I never go out without a  backup motor of some sort, and never will, because I have felt that sick hopeless feeling of being stranded on the water, with no help in sight...  I would not wish it on anyone, and like most forum members here, will do what I can to prevent it from happening, even at the risk of missing some "fishing"... bob

Sounds to me like you are a good person.  Thanks for looking out for others in distress out there, and helping when you could.

I got towed in recently, and have towed a few in myself over the years.  I always try to keep karma on my side!

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I was stranded back in July and had two boaters help me out on Cayuga. I can't thank them enough. But I know I would welcome the chance to pay it forward. I have only meet very friendly boaters so far. I hope that fellow boaters are always willing to help out.

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We might have been separated at birth

 I cannot fathom that level of selfishness and  incivility toward another boater. I am not a "good person", I am a  wicked sinner  thats done very little good for other people in this world , yet I have towed many stranded boaters in to port  over the decades and witnessed personally the look of despair turn to a smile of relief, and heartfelt gratitude.  Same as most here I am sure, I have almost always been offered money, but would never consider taking it.. Some day soon it might be me out there looking for the kindness of a stranger.
 
 Its the least we could do for a fellow boater in distress. It is SCARY being stranded... Never been towed in but needed to be, and as  others have experienced, have gotten no help, because guys were  too busy  "fishing"...
  I never go out without a  backup motor of some sort, and never will, because I have felt that sick hopeless feeling of being stranded on the water, with no help in sight...  I would not wish it on anyone, and like most forum members here, will do what I can to prevent it from happening, even at the risk of missing some "fishing"... bob


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On 8/22/2020 at 10:23 PM, Fat Trout said:

Situation dependent. I towed a 24 ft boat who had no steering capability on lake Ontario ...didnt know the steering part until i was committed. I was an 18 ft boat. When i came to port that boat swung back and forth wildly at slow speed. It was all i could do to maintain control. I have many regrets from that scenario and im not even explaining the half of that 2 hour hair raising scenario. I came really close to putting my crew in harms way and plowing that boat into others. Im still willing to help but im going to grade the scenario. Ill respond to life emergencies but towing for a guy with an questionably maintained boat (my situation)....yeah im gonna think that one out. im also very able to call towboat US for people. Which is my plan for myself which i have already set up if i have issues. As captain of my boat im responsible for my boat and crew and others at my discression. That was the lesson that i learned. Consider that before tossing too many universal..."you must do" stones.

 

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I'd say the captain has a duty to assess whether the situation is an emergency or not. You will not be able to fully assess any situation if your 500 ft from a boat and can't hear what the captain of the distressed vehicle is saying.  What if they have been stranded for hours, and without water, with children onboard?  What if they have no way to contact anyone? You may say, yes, they were unprepared ... but that don't meant too much, if it means people turn up dead ... it all just becomes a tragedy, and for the guy that looked away ... well he/she is responsible in part for that tragedy. God forbid if weather turns ugly all of a sudden 2 hours after you left them stranded!

 

I'm not crapping on you, I get what you are saying ... but I think the other guy seemed to not even be interested in helping at all, or diagnosing the issue ... he just didn't want to waste 30 minutes of fishing, by the sounds of it.  Not good!  I would have taken a photo and posted it up for people to see who the douche bag is.

 

In the least, lines should be pulled up, vessel should be safely approached, plan of action should be agreed on, and if the functional vehicle is not able to safely tow ... fine, but at least establish comms with tow, ensure coordinates are available, and technically stay with boat until help has arrived.

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I'd say the captain has a duty to assess whether the situation is an emergency or not. You will not be able to fully assess any situation if your 500 ft from a boat and can't hear what the captain of the distressed vehicle is saying.  What if they have been stranded for hours, and without water, with children onboard?  What if they have no way to contact anyone? You may say, yes, they were unprepared ... but that don't meant too much, if it means people turn up dead ... it all just becomes a tragedy, and for the guy that looked away ... well he/she is responsible in part for that tragedy. God forbid if weather turns ugly all of a sudden 2 hours after you left them stranded!
 
I'm not crapping on you, I get what you are saying ... but I think the other guy seemed to not even be interested in helping at all, or diagnosing the issue ... he just didn't want to waste 30 minutes of fishing, by the sounds of it.  Not good!  I would have taken a photo and posted it up for people to see who the douche bag is.
 
In the least, lines should be pulled up, vessel should be safely approached, plan of action should be agreed on, and if the functional vehicle is not able to safely tow ... fine, but at least establish comms with tow, ensure coordinates are available, and technically stay with boat until help has arrived.
I have no problem with the comments and generally agree. I thought it was my turn and i was due. I ended up misjudging the scenario. I shared my comments so others who perhaps haven't done it yet keep up on their caution as well as their compassion.

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5 hours ago, TyeeTanic said:

I'd say the captain has a duty to assess whether the situation is an emergency or not. You will not be able to fully assess any situation if your 500 ft from a boat and can't hear what the captain of the distressed vehicle is saying.  What if they have been stranded for hours, and without water, with children onboard?  What if they have no way to contact anyone? You may say, yes, they were unprepared ... but that don't meant too much, if it means people turn up dead ... it all just becomes a tragedy, and for the guy that looked away ... well he/she is responsible in part for that tragedy. God forbid if weather turns ugly all of a sudden 2 hours after you left them stranded!

 

I'm not crapping on you, I get what you are saying ... but I think the other guy seemed to not even be interested in helping at all, or diagnosing the issue ... he just didn't want to waste 30 minutes of fishing, by the sounds of it.  Not good!  I would have taken a photo and posted it up for people to see who the douche bag is.

 

In the least, lines should be pulled up, vessel should be safely approached, plan of action should be agreed on, and if the functional vehicle is not able to safely tow ... fine, but at least establish comms with tow, ensure coordinates are available, and technically stay with boat until help has arrived.

Yes, exactly what you said here!  At least pull up alongside and see how you can help.  You may just be asked to make a call for them, or jump a dead battery, give them some gas etc.  Or their boat is sinking and you need to get everyone off ASAP...I try not to be judgmental on what mistakes they may have made, and instead try to give some friendly advice on how to be more prepared (IE 2nd battery, extra gas can, emergency flares, etc) I've towed a couple of boats in the last few years, I know someday the people I helped will remember when they needed help and pay it forward to help someone else.

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IMG_5645.JPG hell I towed this guy 3 miles out of the way since he hadn’t got to fish at all ran a 6 rod spread on my boat multiple on his and we both caught fish! Confidence and understanding is key !! If control is a issue change the tow. I have both been towed in and done the towing all circumstances are different and need to be approached differently!


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