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So I'm being serious, can I really not have outdated flairs on the boat? Seems if  I have current the out dated are merely a back up. Confused now!

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There is no law that says that you cannot have outdated ones on board, but your valid ones have to be separate (in a different container) from the old ones so no mix up can occur. If anybody fines you for having outdated legal materials on board of your property , do not pay the fine.Go to court because the judge will throw that ticket in the garbage together with all the other citations you may have been given by an ignorant over eager officer.

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On 6/16/2019 at 5:24 PM, Lewis863 said:

Funny this argument of safety vs tickets and money.  Statistics show the quickest way to reduce accidents and fatalities in an area is aggressive enforcement and tickets.  So whine all ya want.  Hypothesize about the dark motivations of the evil in the system... but some morons only understand the stick and have no common sense...

 

to rhe poster wondering if he was required  to have a fire extinguisher on your open boat with an outboard ... do it because it’s smart... you have gas on board man seriously ....

 Yep,, Aggressive enforcement and tickets.. Yes sir, the BEST way to  assure a pleasant fishing/boating experience. Geez, thats REALLY what you  want ??.. Sacrificing personal freedom on the alter of  ""safety"".. ask  the venezuelans  how that worked out for them..   Big brother will take care of everything.. Surveillance is a GOOD thing.

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4 hours ago, bulletbob said:

 Yep,, Aggressive enforcement and tickets.. Yes sir, the BEST way to  assure a pleasant fishing/boating experience. Geez, thats REALLY what you  want ??.. Sacrificing personal freedom on the alter of  ""safety"".. ask  the venezuelans  how that worked out for them..   Big brother will take care of everything.. Surveillance is a GOOD thing.

I agree that aggressive law enforcement and tickets are no fun, but seeing drunken sailors with on very busy bays causing bodily damage and children having to be med-evacued because of daddies stupid drunken decisions is definitely a worse alternative. As for Venezuela and its troubles , let's leave that out of this because there are a ton of things that have nothing to do with our situation. It may be that you hark back for a time when there were only half as many people around and there was more room to do your own thing without regulations

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There is no law that says that you cannot have outdated ones on board, but your valid ones have to be separate (in a different container) from the old ones so no mix up can occur. If anybody fines you for having outdated legal materials on board of your property , do not pay the fine.Go to court because the judge will throw that ticket in the garbage together with all the other citations you may have been given by an ignorant over eager officer.

The CG and CG Auxillary and the SP have told me that you are encouraged to carry outdated signaling devices (flares) as back ups. Just make sure you gave at least 3 unexpired flares on board if someone got a ticket for having extra flares on board , they better plead not guilty and head for court and also file a complaint with the issuing agency. Someone is mis informed

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True ,more traffic in day time, more tickets. Night  good luck.. I worked patrol boat for sheriffs office years ago, our job was education on lake 80%,  20% tickets. Many people have no clue how to properly operate boat, or launch. A 80 year old who never had a boat can purchase a 40 ft and go out onto a lake. Education not by tickets, alcohol evolvement arrest. Oh you vote for your county Sheriff,  NYC elects Coumo.

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  The ticket for outdated flares was given to a member of Noreast.com, a very large saltwater forum for LI, SI and coastal NY/NJ that I am a member of...  He shared it earlier this year.. It was not given upstate, but on coastal NY waters. Not sure if he appealed it, but i would have.
    I have a feeling it was given by an officer that may not have understood the regulations very well..

 From what I understand, you certainly can have out dated flres, as long as you also have compliant ones aboard.
  What many here do not seem to understand is that a LOT of officials that are patrolling the water, are NOT specifically trained to be on the water, especially here in upstate.. Coastal zones are more likely to have full time patrols.. Up here they will be mostly gone after Labor day.

 These are NOT Marine law specialists, and the membership here probably has a lot more knowledge and experience in marine law  than the 25 year old kid that might write a ticket.. 

Downstate. there are TONS of problems because local,county and state marine patrols also issue tickets for undersize fish, and bag limits, along with the separate DEC patrols.. There are many mistakes.   Many reports  on the salt water fishing  sites from irate angles ticketed for short Fluke[Summer Flounder], when in reality the guys had Windowpane flounder or 4Spot Flounder, both of which are somewhat similar, but are NOT regulated in size or in bag limit.. Yes NY state DOES allow non DEC personal to check bag and size limits downstate, each and every day.. Honestly, if thats what some members here think is a good thing, not much i can say about it i suppose... bob

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My flares are out of date now for 5 years. they still work. if I took my boat out on the great lakes and the coastguard saw them I probably get a ticket. Seneca and Cayuga lakes are connected to the great lakes system. that means the rules apply here too. do they enforce it i haven't seen them do it yet. I don't think the state police are concerned about out of date flares on the finger lakes. what they look for is drunk boaters, boat speed and firearms on your boat. if you want to use flares on the finger lake get them. its boat safety. i;m going to get new flares soon. i'm overdue for a trip out on lake Erie. watch your drinking out on these lakes. the police know we have a drinking and drug problem with our society.

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I was surprised the Coast Guard didn't even check the date of my flares when I was stopped. 

That was an oversite in the coastie’s part. He should have. Expired flares will get you a ticket and perhaps a trip back to the dock. End of voyage for the day


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I spend quite a bit of time on cayuga and never had a problem. At least once a year I'll get checked but it's always been dec and they're always super cool so long as your behaving. Any time someone gets a bs ticket it's worth fighting in court that's what courts are there for that being said the last one I fought and judge threw out go figure they still tried making me pay the mandated surcharge which is almost always as much if not more than the ticket. I laughed and left and never heard another word about it but that part is a total money grab crazy amount of money state and local jurisdictions bring in and always seem to be out of funds

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I spend quite a bit of time on cayuga and never had a problem. At least once a year I'll get checked but it's always been dec and they're always super cool so long as your behaving. Any time someone gets a bs ticket it's worth fighting in court that's what courts are there for that being said the last one I fought and judge threw out go figure they still tried making me pay the mandated surcharge which is almost always as much if not more than the ticket. I laughed and left and never heard another word about it but that part is a total money grab crazy amount of money state and local jurisdictions bring in and always seem to be out of funds

I think this is where there is a lot of confusion. We are dealing with two separate governing entities. The NY state DEC has rules and regulations that are separate ( but can’t supersede ) the federal CG rules and regulations. NY regs state that you must carry a daytime signaling device ( flag , etc . ) but the CG could care less about a flag so the DEC or the Sherriff or troopers may ask for it , but the CG won’t. They never said it was going to be easy Lol


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80.00 -- 100.00 EBAY NEVER BUY FLARES AGAIN U.S. COAST GUARD COMPLIANT. LIFETIME WARRANTY. JUST 3-C BATTERIES  COMES WITH DAY VISUAL DISTRESS FLAG (REQUIRED) 

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80.00 -- 100.00 EBAY NEVER BUY FLARES AGAIN U.S. COAST GUARD COMPLIANT. LIFETIME WARRANTY. JUST 3-C BATTERIES  COMES WITH DAY VISUAL DISTRESS FLAG (REQUIRED) 
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A definite alternative. But for nighttime signaling only. You still need a daytime signaling device. Flag or flares most electronic devices come with a flag in a kit


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Thank you Chinook and Gasman for helping solve the problem with real solutions instead of perpetuating all this arguing.  Good stuff!!!

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