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New Gun laws getting voted on tomorrow in NY

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" Relates to establishing additional requirements to purchase a firearm, shotgun or rifle; requires a person to apply for a hunting license prior to the purchase of a shotgun or rifle; establishes additional requirements for all firearms, shotguns and rifles including taking a five hour gun safety course and exam, passing a shooting range test with 90% accuracy, providing notarized proof of a passed drug test and mental health evaluation, providing proof of purchase of firearm and ammunition safe storage depositories and passing a criminal background check. "

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I can see it now, “Sir, I’ll need your shooting score of 90 or better”. Police Officer “ but I only have my training score of 85”. I’m sorry officer, I won’t be able to sell you a gun.....


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Ive been monitoring what has been going on in Virginia and I really admire the Sheriffs down there. We need some county officials who will stand up to this unlawful stripping of our rights.

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It has been clear all along  even prior to the so-called "SAFE Act" that these baboons in Albany and their silver back baboon leader know absolutely nothing about firearms or reasons for owning them. They know even less about their duties and responsibilities as our elected representatives and what constitutes infringement on Constitutional rights of New York's citizenry. The political hacks are a total embarrassment to all of us and are totally out of touch with reality. Emperor Cuomo  wants firearms removed from civilian use and let everyone else fend for themselves in terms of personal protection yet we the tax payers provide him with full 24/7 protection at our expense. Something is very wrong with this picture. This government is not serving the best interest of the people as they are too busy serving themselves. Pretty disgusting really.

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And what party is the sponsor of the bill affiliated with?


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Email your representative and give valid arguments 

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I think it is too late for that. It is going to the Emperor for approval (passed both houses) Hopefully will end in front of an impartial judge and be declared unconstitutional.

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The second amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms. The second admendment denies the government the authority to infringe upon our right to bear arms!


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The second amendment does not dictate we have to shoot strait at a target 

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The word infringement mean to impede, advance beyond the usual  limit, impinge, encroach etc. The proposed law certainly meets this definition as it clearly intends to impose unrealistic limits on law abiding citizens with the probable purpose of discouraging gun ownership. 

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The clown in Milwaukee who shot at the kids that threw snowballs at ( unsure if it was him or his car ) shouldn't be carrying a gun

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No doubt!


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Hobo, did you mean to say this?

 

The second amendment grants us the right to keep and bear arms. 

 

In doing so, it also denies the government the authority to infringe upon our right to bear arms.

 

Sometimes we fatfinger keypads and make honest mistakes.

 

 

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On 1/7/2020 at 2:17 PM, Sk8man said:

It has been clear all along  even prior to the so-called "SAFE Act" that these baboons in Albany and their silver back baboon leader know absolutely nothing about firearms or reasons for owning them. They know even less about their duties and responsibilities as our elected representatives and what constitutes infringement on Constitutional rights of New York's citizenry. The political hacks are a total embarrassment to all of us and are totally out of touch with reality. Emperor Cuomo  wants firearms removed from civilian use and let everyone else fend for themselves in terms of personal protection yet we the tax payers provide him with full 24/7 protection at our expense. Something is very wrong with this picture. This government is not serving the best interest of the people as they are too busy serving themselves. Pretty disgusting really.

Great post. If we sleep on any of this we are going to pay the consequences. I know far too many people that fail to vote saying that it's hopeless in NY. 

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The new bail reform act is just another reason people need to be able to protect themselves.

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If you want to keep up with what is taking place around the nation on gun legislation.  Youtube Guns and Gadgets

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On 1/8/2020 at 5:48 PM, horsehunter said:

The clown in Milwaukee who shot at the kids that threw snowballs at ( unsure if it was him or his car ) shouldn't be carrying a gun

I agree but the person who slashes homeless folks with a knife shouldn't be allowed to possess a knife either. There are a lot of unstable people out there who shouldn't have access to firearms or dangerous implements of any type. This is a very different situation than imposing restrictions that make absolutely no sense on law abiding owners of firearms that may no longer hunt yet will required to buy a hunting license is patently absurd as this isn't by far the only reason to own a firearm (e.g. self protection, shooting clays and target shooting as a pastime etc.). I spent 4 years as a policeman in the military, fired expert with every weapon they had at the time, spent countless hours on the firing range, and there were very few people even with that level of training there that could score 90 percent accuracy as proposed by this law for the average citizen. It makes no sense whatsoever because how would you be able to even practice if you were unqualified to use the firearm in the first place.  There are over 300 million guns in the U.S. alone already and to think that illegitimate gun possessors are going to pay any attention to or even care about restrictions of any type (e.g. gang members, drug dealers, the mentally ill,and various other professional criminals) is absurd. The fact is that the government is overreaching by proposing this unrealistic and ridiculous set of restrictions on legitimate gun ownership is foolish at the very least.  Its primary obligation is to protect the safety of ALL of New York's citizens (not just those downstate). Most of the law enforcement officers in upstate that I have talked with about the issue don't support the so-called SAFE Act let alone this hodge podge assortment of unrealistic ideas that would be impossible to fully monitor.

 

The problems of mass shootings and violence are not related to gun ownership per se. it is embedded in our culture and exacerbated by media coverage, (the frequent mentioning of "fear" by adults and media (many of these incidents arappear to be "copycat" in nature), pervasive violent depictions in movies, in the evening news, in video games (especially in un-monitored conditions by teenagers and youth), the influences of gangs and drug culture, cartels etc. We live in a violent culture, and we keep perpetuating the violence and are becoming numb to it, anxiety ridden, and respond like an open gland to everything instead of dealing with the actual sources of violence which is complicated and expensive  and has little true support from our government at many levels. It is easier to appear as though you are doing something about the problem by making more laws affecting law abiding citizens which you have administrative control over (gun registration, background information, fingerprints etc.) without a background understanding of what you are doing (knowledge of the firearms, their actual use, or other factors such as the realistic need for self-protection especially given the rural nature of this part of the state. There are many emergency situations that require direct immediate action on the part people living upstate frequently miles and many minutes away from law enforcement response. So my question is how does buying a hunting license in order to own a gun for one thing relate to such a situation? The downstate fear mongers generating these laws have a very different environment.

 

Do real and completely thorough background checks, prevent access to guns by youth and folks that shouldn't possess them, safeguard guns as a duty of gun ownership, Go after those criminals that possess illegal guns, exert more control over the depiction of violence and violent acts in the various forms available in our culture. Make available competent mental health services truly accessible by the public. Currently these services are nearly non-existent or inaccessible because of some antiquated laws relating to "privacy" concerns such that even family members aren't able to get their people help without first coming to the attention of law enforcement. Will these things ever be implemented? No because they are too complicated and too expensive. The money is better spent on revamping a bridge downstate and re-naming it after your father, and spending millions on signage for the Thruway that the feds tell you you can't have up, and fancy subway tiles installed while folks are being molested and the infrastructure is falling apart and homelessness is at an all time high.

 

Sorry for the tirade but this gun control stupidity has been grating on my nerves for sometime now....

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Well said


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I can’t find this new proposal anywhere so this may be an older dead proposal?  I am inquiring with some people that might know. 

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