Fredo's Bro says the lake level is the new norm..

[Bozeman Bob]

  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

[bandrus1]

This is very informative. I was unaware the NYS Governor controlled lake Ontario levels

[whaler1]

  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

Very well said. Should have started dumping it months ago. It’s a bath tub. Water in, water out.


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[Bozeman Bob]

35 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

This is very informative. I was unaware the NYS Governor controlled lake Ontario levels

Andy controls everything, that's what control freaks do. If the NYS Governor doesn't have any pull in this game  I would be shocked. Yes there is the IJC.and they have to answer to someone up the food chain.  Doesn't get much higher than the Governor of NYS...Your sarcasm was noted.

[rolmops]

I'm curious as to how you will accuse the Governor of letting the lake level drop too far if he lowers it now the way you want to.

It pays to be informed before loudly expressing the mood you are in. Just for fun you should check the amount of water being released now.

I know of a politician, whom you may have voted for, who would probably try to sell all the water in the lake after promising you that he would protect the lake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Edited October 24, 2019 by rolmops

[HB2]

I thought that the new limits were to be up to 2 ft higher and 1 ft lower . So what's the fear of letting to much water out ? After all ,this will help the wetlands and lake ecosystem. Which was why 2014 was passed in the first place . 

 

I wonder how much more revenue has come from the higher water levels from the hydro power ? 

 

I also would like to know if the maximum amount of water is being released now as it is higher than normal for this time of year . This would be a,good indicator of them being serious about the situation. 

Edited October 24, 2019 by HB2

[mudflat]

Here is the outflow data for this year:

https://ijc.org/en/loslrb/watershed/outflow-changes

 

Lake Ontario Outflow Changes

Outflows from Lake Ontario are established on a weekly basis by the International Lake Ontario - St. Lawrence River Board in accordance with the current regulation plan and the International Joint Commission's Orders of Approval. The table below displays the outflow changes that have occurred this year. All flows are reported in cubic metres and feet per second.

 

DATE	HOUR/	FROM/DE		TO/À
(YYYY-MM-DD)	HEURE	(m3/s)	(ft3/s)	(m3/s)	(ft3/s)
2019-10-19	0001	8,920	315,000	8,870	313,200
2019-10-13	1601	8,600	303,700	8,920	315,000
2019-10-13	1501	7,900	279,000	8,600	303,700
2019-10-11	1601	8,970	316,800	7,900	279,000
2019-10-05	0001	9,090	321,000	8,970	316,800
2019-09-28	0001	9,270	327,400	9,090	321,000
2019-09-21	0001	9,530	336,500	9,270	327,400
2019-09-14	0001	9,870	345,400	9,530	336,500
2019-09-07	0001	10,000	353,100	9,780	345,400
2019-08-31	0001	10,110	357,000	10,000	353,100
2019-08-21	0001	10,400	367,300	10,110	357,000
2019-06-13	0001	10,350	365,500	10,400	367,300
2019-06-12	0001	10,300	363,700	10,350	365,500
2019-06-11	0001	10,250	362,000	10,300	363,700
2019-06-10	0001	10,200	360,200	10,250	362,000
2019-06-06	1001	10,000	353,100	10,200	360,200
2019-06-05	2101	9,800	346,100	10,000	353,100
2019-06-04	0901	9,500	335,500	9,800	346,100
2019-06-03	1801	9,400	332,000	9,500	335,500
2019-06-03	1101	9,100	321,400	9,400	332,000
2019-06-02	1701	9,000	317,800	9,100	321,400
2019-06-01	1201	8,800	310,800	9,000	317,800
2019-05-31	0901	8,600	303,700	8,800	310,800
2019-05-27	0001	8,500	300,200	8,600	303,700
2019-05-23	1401	8,400	296,600	8,500	300,200
2019-05-22	1601	8,200	289,600	8,400	296,600
2019-05-22	0901	8,100	286,000	8,200	289,600
2019-05-21	1501	8,000	282,500	8,100	286,000
2019-05-21	0601	7,800	275,500	8,000	282,500
2019-05-19	0001	7,600	268,400	7,800	275,500
2019-05-17	1401	7,400	261,300	7,600	268,400
2019-05-16	2001	7,100	250,700	7,400	261,300
2019-05-14	1801	7,300	257,800	7,100	250,700
2019-05-11	0901	7,000	247,200	7,300	257,800
2019-05-10	0901	7,400	261,300	7,000	247,200
2019-05-10	0001	7,600	268,400	7,400	261,300
2019-05-08	1401	7,400	261,300	7,600	268,400
2019-05-08	0001	7,200	254,300	7,400	261,300
2019-05-07	0001	7,000	247,200	7,200	254,300
2019-05-06	0001	6,800	240,100	7,000	247,200
2019-05-04	1601	6,500	229,500	6,800	240,100
2019-05-04	0001	6,300	222,500	6,500	229,500
2019-05-02	1501	6,100	215,400	6,300	222,500
2019-04-29	1301	5,900	208,400	6,100	215,400
2019-04-28	1601	5,500	194,200	5,900	208,400
2019-04-26	1601	5,700	201,300	5,500	194,200
2019-04-25	1201	6,000	211,900	5,700	201,300
2019-04-24	1601	5,800	204,800	6,000	211,900
2019-04-24	0001	5,600	197,800	5,800	204,800
2019-04-22	1001	5,900	208,400	5,600	197,800
2019-04-20	2001	6,400	226,000	5,900	208,400
2019-04-20	1201	7,000	247,200	6,400	226,000
2019-04-20	0001	7,400	261,300	7,000	247,200
2019-04-18	2001	7,600	268,400	7,400	261,300
2019-04-15	1401	8,000	282,500	7,600	268,400
2019-04-15	0001	8,400	296,600	8,000	282,500
2019-04-14	1201	8,710	307,600	8,400	296,600
2019-04-13	0001	8,680	306,500	8,710	307,600
2019-04-06	0001	8,620	304,400	8,680	306,500
2019-03-26	0001	8,820	311,500	8,620	304,400
2019-03-23	0001	8,680	306,500	8,820	311,500
2019-03-16	0001	8,670	306,200	8,680	306,500
2019-03-09	0001	8,700	307,200	8,670	306,200
2019-02-27	1901	8,600	303,700	8,700	307,200
2019-02-26	1601	8,500	300,200	8,600	303,700
2019-02-21	1401	8,400	296,600	8,500	300,200
2019-02-17	1201	8,300	293,100	8,400	296,600
2019-02-16	1201	8,100	286,000	8,300	293,100
2019-02-14	1201	7,800	275,500	8,100	286,000
2019-02-12	1601	8,100	286,000	7,800	275,500
2019-02-11	1601	8,300	293,100	8,100	286,000
2019-02-10	1201	8,000	282,500	8,300	293,100
2019-02-09	1201	7,730	273,000	8,000	282,500
2019-02-07	1501	7,600	268,400	7,730	273,000
2019-02-03	1101	7,860	277,600	7,600	268,400
2019-02-02	0001	7,470	263,800	7,860	277,600
2019-01-30	0001	7,200	254,300	7,470	263,800
2019-01-28	1301	6,900	243,700	7,200	254,300
2019-01-27	1301	6,700	236,600	6,900	243,700
2019-01-23	1601	6,400	226,000	6,700	236,600
2019-01-20	1901	6,230	220,000	6,400	226,000
2019-01-16	1701	6,500	229,500	6,230	220,000
2019-01-14	1601	6,300	222,500	6,500	229,500
2019-01-13	1601	6,700	236,600	6,300	222,500
2019-01-12	1601	7,100	250,700	6,700	236,600
2019-01-11	1701	8,540	301,600	7,100	250,700
2019-01-05	0001	8,380	295,900	8,540	301,600

To view outflow change records from previous years, please use the links below:

Flow Changes - 2018

Flow Changes - 2017

Flow Changes - 2016

Flow Changes - 2015

Flow Changes - 2014

Flow Changes - 2013

Flow Changes - 2012

Flow Changes - 2011

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[UNREEL]

Looking at that outflow chart you can see that starting in April flow was cut 8 times ending with 5600 m3/s on 4/22/19.  That is the lowest outflow of any of the years listed above. Hmm. 

Edited October 24, 2019 by UNREEL

[rolmops]

Looking at that outflow chart you can see that starting in April flow was cut 8 times ending with 5600 m3/s on 4/22/19.  That is the lowest outflow of any of the years listed above. Hmm. 

They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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[UNREEL]

2 hours ago, rolmops said:

They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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Aware of that thank you. Mostly from excessive snow melt and rain.  Fortunately the government has issued building/rebuilding moratoriums in newly designated flood zones in Montreal area. 

[whaler1]

3 hours ago, rolmops said:

They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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simply because the lake was kept to high from July through the spring, again, like a bath tub.

[chinook35]

  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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[whaler1]

X2

[Tim Bromund]

11 hours ago, rolmops said:

I'm curious as to how you will accuse the Governor of letting the lake level drop too far if he lowers it now the way you want to.

It pays to be informed before loudly expressing the mood you are in. Just for fun you should check the amount of water being released now.

I know of a politician, whom you may have voted for, who would probably try to sell all the water in the lake after promising you that he would protect the lake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

[Gill-T]

A Tim Bromund sighting.  

[lost a lure]

7 hours ago, chinook35 said:

That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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The maximum vessel draft on the river is 26' 6". The channels are maintained at 27". If the water level is high the draft remains the same.

Correction - Vessels equipped with an approved and operational draft information system will be permitted to transit at a draft of up to 7cm above the maximum allowable draft.

Edited October 25, 2019 by lost a lure
2.75"

[Trouthunter]

It about time someone runs for governor that gives a dam about the real people of New York not the Five boros but the upstaters I may run if the idoits that are running this state do not start waking up , this has happened to long we need people in office who truly care about this state & make it the great state that it is.

[TyeeTanic]

19 hours ago, chinook35 said:

That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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And now we have come to the bottom of the issue.  Here's your truth people.  Ships are overloading ... lake levels need to be higher to ensure minimum draft is maintained in shallower areas.

[whaler1]

31 minutes ago, TyeeTanic said:

 

And now we have come to the bottom of the issue.  Here's your truth people.  Ships are overloading ... lake levels need to be higher to ensure minimum draft is maintained in shallower areas.

so its not climate change?  

[J.D.]

Power from the SLR needed down state.... higher water flow means more power from turbines..

 

Indian Point, the nuclear power plant closest to New York City, could be shut as soon as April 2021 under an agreement New York state officials reached this week with Entergy, the utility company that owns the plant, according to a person with direct knowledge of the deal.

Under the agreement, one of the two nuclear reactors at Indian Point will permanently cease operations by April 2020, while the other must be closed a year later. The shutdown has long been a priority for Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who — though supportive of upstate nuclear plants — has repeatedly called for shutting Indian Point. He has said it poses too great a risk to New York City, less than 30 miles to the south.

[L&M]

16 minutes ago, whaler1 said:

so its not climate change?  

  

[jimski2]

Shoreline owners in Florida and New York City will soon be under water. Be wise where you invest your money.


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[Bozeman Bob]

1 hour ago, jimski2 said:

Shoreline owners in Florida and New York City will soon be under water. Be wise where you invest your money.


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Hahahahaha , why limit it to those two locations ? might as well say any land touching any Ocean /  Gulf  ?Fiord ect.,  Sorry can't buy into this left wing brainwashing . Anyway what does that have to do with Ontario's now semi annual flooding ? NOTHING.

[HB2]

I seem to recall somebody on here saying we would make a great 51 st state . 

 

Now who was that  ? 

Edited October 25, 2019 by HB2

[whaler1]

Shoreline owners in Florida and New York City will soon be under water. Be wise where you invest your money.


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Shoreline residents on the south shore of Lake Ontario already are.


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