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Fredo's Bro says the lake level is the new norm..

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  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

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  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

Very well said. Should have started dumping it months ago. It’s a bath tub. Water in, water out.


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35 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

This is very informative. I was unaware the NYS Governor controlled lake Ontario levels

Andy controls everything, that's what control freaks do. If the NYS Governor doesn't have any pull in this game  I would be shocked. Yes there is the IJC.and they have to answer to someone up the food chain.  Doesn't get much higher than the Governor of NYS...Your sarcasm was noted.

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I'm curious as to how you will accuse the Governor of letting the lake level drop too far if he lowers it now the way you want to.

It pays to be informed before loudly expressing the mood you are in. Just for fun you should check the amount of water being released now.

I know of a politician, whom you may have voted for, who would probably try to sell all the water in the lake after promising you that he would protect the lake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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I thought that the new limits were to be up to 2 ft higher and 1 ft lower . So what's the fear of letting to much water out ? After all ,this will help the wetlands and lake ecosystem. Which was why 2014 was passed in the first place . 

 

I wonder how much more revenue has come from the higher water levels from the hydro power ? 

 

I also would like to know if the maximum amount of water is being released now as it is higher than normal for this time of year . This would be a,good indicator of them being serious about the situation. 

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Here is the outflow data for this year:

https://ijc.org/en/loslrb/watershed/outflow-changes

 

Lake Ontario Outflow Changes


Outflows from Lake Ontario are established on a weekly basis by the International Lake Ontario - St. Lawrence River Board in accordance with the current regulation plan and the International Joint Commission's Orders of Approval. The table below displays the outflow changes that have occurred this year. All flows are reported in cubic metres and feet per second.

 

DATE HOUR/ FROM/DE    TO/À   
(YYYY-MM-DD) HEURE (m3/s) (ft3/s) (m3/s) (ft3/s)
2019-10-19 0001 8,920 315,000 8,870 313,200
2019-10-13 1601 8,600 303,700 8,920 315,000
2019-10-13 1501 7,900 279,000 8,600 303,700
2019-10-11 1601 8,970 316,800 7,900 279,000
2019-10-05 0001 9,090 321,000 8,970 316,800
2019-09-28 0001 9,270 327,400 9,090 321,000
2019-09-21 0001 9,530 336,500 9,270 327,400
2019-09-14 0001 9,870 345,400 9,530 336,500
2019-09-07 0001 10,000 353,100 9,780 345,400
2019-08-31 0001 10,110 357,000 10,000 353,100
2019-08-21 0001 10,400 367,300 10,110 357,000
2019-06-13 0001 10,350 365,500 10,400 367,300
2019-06-12 0001 10,300 363,700 10,350 365,500
2019-06-11 0001 10,250 362,000 10,300 363,700
2019-06-10 0001 10,200 360,200 10,250 362,000
2019-06-06 1001 10,000 353,100 10,200 360,200
2019-06-05 2101 9,800 346,100 10,000 353,100
2019-06-04 0901 9,500 335,500 9,800 346,100
2019-06-03 1801 9,400 332,000 9,500 335,500
2019-06-03 1101 9,100 321,400 9,400 332,000
2019-06-02 1701 9,000 317,800 9,100 321,400
2019-06-01 1201 8,800 310,800 9,000 317,800
2019-05-31 0901 8,600 303,700 8,800 310,800
2019-05-27 0001 8,500 300,200 8,600 303,700
2019-05-23 1401 8,400 296,600 8,500 300,200
2019-05-22 1601 8,200 289,600 8,400 296,600
2019-05-22 0901 8,100 286,000 8,200 289,600
2019-05-21 1501 8,000 282,500 8,100 286,000
2019-05-21 0601 7,800 275,500 8,000 282,500
2019-05-19 0001 7,600 268,400 7,800 275,500
2019-05-17 1401 7,400 261,300 7,600 268,400
2019-05-16 2001 7,100 250,700 7,400 261,300
2019-05-14 1801 7,300 257,800 7,100 250,700
2019-05-11 0901 7,000 247,200 7,300 257,800
2019-05-10 0901 7,400 261,300 7,000 247,200
2019-05-10 0001 7,600 268,400 7,400 261,300
2019-05-08 1401 7,400 261,300 7,600 268,400
2019-05-08 0001 7,200 254,300 7,400 261,300
2019-05-07 0001 7,000 247,200 7,200 254,300
2019-05-06 0001 6,800 240,100 7,000 247,200
2019-05-04 1601 6,500 229,500 6,800 240,100
2019-05-04 0001 6,300 222,500 6,500 229,500
2019-05-02 1501 6,100 215,400 6,300 222,500
2019-04-29 1301 5,900 208,400 6,100 215,400
2019-04-28 1601 5,500 194,200 5,900 208,400
2019-04-26 1601 5,700 201,300 5,500 194,200
2019-04-25 1201 6,000 211,900 5,700 201,300
2019-04-24 1601 5,800 204,800 6,000 211,900
2019-04-24 0001 5,600 197,800 5,800 204,800
2019-04-22 1001 5,900 208,400 5,600 197,800
2019-04-20 2001 6,400 226,000 5,900 208,400
2019-04-20 1201 7,000 247,200 6,400 226,000
2019-04-20 0001 7,400 261,300 7,000 247,200
2019-04-18 2001 7,600 268,400 7,400 261,300
2019-04-15 1401 8,000 282,500 7,600 268,400
2019-04-15 0001 8,400 296,600 8,000 282,500
2019-04-14 1201 8,710 307,600 8,400 296,600
2019-04-13 0001 8,680 306,500 8,710 307,600
2019-04-06 0001 8,620 304,400 8,680 306,500
2019-03-26 0001 8,820 311,500 8,620 304,400
2019-03-23 0001 8,680 306,500 8,820 311,500
2019-03-16 0001 8,670 306,200 8,680 306,500
2019-03-09 0001 8,700 307,200 8,670 306,200
2019-02-27 1901 8,600 303,700 8,700 307,200
2019-02-26 1601 8,500 300,200 8,600 303,700
2019-02-21 1401 8,400 296,600 8,500 300,200
2019-02-17 1201 8,300 293,100 8,400 296,600
2019-02-16 1201 8,100 286,000 8,300 293,100
2019-02-14 1201 7,800 275,500 8,100 286,000
2019-02-12 1601 8,100 286,000 7,800 275,500
2019-02-11 1601 8,300 293,100 8,100 286,000
2019-02-10 1201 8,000 282,500 8,300 293,100
2019-02-09 1201 7,730 273,000 8,000 282,500
2019-02-07 1501 7,600 268,400 7,730 273,000
2019-02-03 1101 7,860 277,600 7,600 268,400
2019-02-02 0001 7,470 263,800 7,860 277,600
2019-01-30 0001 7,200 254,300 7,470 263,800
2019-01-28 1301 6,900 243,700 7,200 254,300
2019-01-27 1301 6,700 236,600 6,900 243,700
2019-01-23 1601 6,400 226,000 6,700 236,600
2019-01-20 1901 6,230 220,000 6,400 226,000
2019-01-16 1701 6,500 229,500 6,230 220,000
2019-01-14 1601 6,300 222,500 6,500 229,500
2019-01-13 1601 6,700 236,600 6,300 222,500
2019-01-12 1601 7,100 250,700 6,700 236,600
2019-01-11 1701 8,540 301,600 7,100 250,700
2019-01-05 0001 8,380 295,900 8,540 301,600

To view outflow change records from previous years, please use the links below:

Flow Changes - 2018

Flow Changes - 2017

Flow Changes - 2016

Flow Changes - 2015

Flow Changes - 2014

Flow Changes - 2013

Flow Changes - 2012

Flow Changes - 2011

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Looking at that outflow chart you can see that starting in April flow was cut 8 times ending with 5600 m3/s on 4/22/19.  That is the lowest outflow of any of the years listed above. Hmm. 

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Looking at that outflow chart you can see that starting in April flow was cut 8 times ending with 5600 m3/s on 4/22/19.  That is the lowest outflow of any of the years listed above. Hmm. 

They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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2 hours ago, rolmops said:


They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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Aware of that thank you. Mostly from excessive snow melt and rain.  Fortunately the government has issued building/rebuilding moratoriums in newly designated flood zones in Montreal area. 

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3 hours ago, rolmops said:


They had to lower the outflow because whole neighborhoods in Ottawa and Montreal were flooded.


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simply because the lake was kept to high from July through the spring, again, like a bath tub.

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  How does throwing 49 million at Orleans and Niagara county fix the problem ? It doesn't ,but The Commondant says it will !   Wonder where does this money come from ,let me take a wild guess , you and me ,the taxpayers. What a crock , and this is only the beginning as Andy loves the face time he gets on TV by opening his big pie hole. Water over the bulkheads /retaining walls and into the parking lots , how do you fix that ? Higher breakwalls and building up ALL the land from one end of O to the other including all the harbors and homes . Not going to fix all that for 500 million dollars. How about this Andy , drop the level of the lake starting now , in the fall and keep dumping it until it gets to where it's supposed to be ,you taxpayer thieving moron.. Ok , I am done with my rant on Fredo's loudmouth brother !

That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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11 hours ago, rolmops said:

I'm curious as to how you will accuse the Governor of letting the lake level drop too far if he lowers it now the way you want to.

It pays to be informed before loudly expressing the mood you are in. Just for fun you should check the amount of water being released now.

I know of a politician, whom you may have voted for, who would probably try to sell all the water in the lake after promising you that he would protect the lake.

 

 

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A Tim Bromund sighting.  

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7 hours ago, chinook35 said:


That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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The maximum vessel draft on the river is 26' 6". The channels are maintained at 27". If the water level is high the draft remains the same.

Correction - Vessels equipped with an approved and operational draft information system will be permitted to transit at a draft of up to 7cm above the maximum allowable draft.

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2.75"

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It about time someone runs for governor that gives a dam about the real people of New York not the Five boros but the upstaters I may run if the idoits that are running this state do not start waking up , this has happened to long we need people in office who truly care about this state & make it the great state that it is.

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19 hours ago, chinook35 said:


That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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And now we have come to the bottom of the issue.  Here's your truth people.  Ships are overloading ... lake levels need to be higher to ensure minimum draft is maintained in shallower areas.

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31 minutes ago, TyeeTanic said:

 

And now we have come to the bottom of the issue.  Here's your truth people.  Ships are overloading ... lake levels need to be higher to ensure minimum draft is maintained in shallower areas.

so its not climate change?  

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Power from the SLR needed down state.... higher water flow means more power from turbines..

 

Indian Point, the nuclear power plant closest to New York City, could be shut as soon as April 2021 under an agreement New York state officials reached this week with Entergy, the utility company that owns the plant, according to a person with direct knowledge of the deal.

Under the agreement, one of the two nuclear reactors at Indian Point will permanently cease operations by April 2020, while the other must be closed a year later. The shutdown has long been a priority for Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who — though supportive of upstate nuclear plants — has repeatedly called for shutting Indian Point. He has said it poses too great a risk to New York City, less than 30 miles to the south.

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16 minutes ago, whaler1 said:

so its not climate change?  

:-o :D 

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1 hour ago, jimski2 said:

Shoreline owners in Florida and New York City will soon be under water. Be wise where you invest your money.


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Hahahahaha , why limit it to those two locations ? might as well say any land touching any Ocean /  Gulf  ?Fiord ect.,  Sorry can't buy into this left wing brainwashing . Anyway what does that have to do with Ontario's now semi annual flooding ? NOTHING.

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I seem to recall somebody on here saying we would make a great 51 st state . 

 

Now who was that  ? 

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Shoreline owners in Florida and New York City will soon be under water. Be wise where you invest your money.


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Shoreline residents on the south shore of Lake Ontario already are.


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